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Heat Waves (4) A Climate Case Study:
Posted by: Dr. Ricky Rood, 6:26 AM GMT op 19 juli 2011 +9
Heat Waves (4) A Climate Case Study:

In the last article I wrote that the extreme events of 2011 were providing us with the opportunity to think about climate and how to cope with a warming world. The U.S. is experiencing an extreme heat event this week (Masters @ WU). This heat wave is the consequence of a strong, stationary high pressure system over the central U.S., and it will move to the east over the next few days. Back on July 14th The Capital Weather Gang did a nice write up on the forecast of the heat wave. At the end of this blog are links to my previous blogs on heat waves and human health.

When thinking about weather, climate, and extreme events an important idea is “persistence.” For example, a heat wave occurs when there are persistent high temperatures. Persistent weather patterns occur when high and low pressure systems get large and stuck; that is, they don’t move. In the Figure below, you need to imagine North America and the United States. There is a high pressure center over the proverbial Heartland. With blue arrows I have drawn the flow of air around the high pressure system, and in this case moist air. There is moisture coming from the Gulf of Mexico and, in fact on the date when this was drawn, from the Pacific. This is common in the summer to see both the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific as sources of continental moisture.



Figure 1: Schematic of a high pressure system over the central United States in July. While generic, this is drawn to represent some of the specifics of 2011. The green-shaded area is where there have been floods in 2011. The brown-shaded area represents sustained drought in the southern part of the nation.

At the center of this high pressure system there is a suppression of rain, because the air is moving downward. This sets up a situation where the surface heats from the Sun’s energy. There is not much mixing and cooling, because of the suppression of the upward motion that produces rain. Hence, if this high pressure system gets stuck, then there is persistent heat. This is a classic summer heat wave.

Let’s think about it some more. There is lot of moisture being drawn around the edge of the high pressure system, and this moisture contributes to the discomfort of people. People – just a short aside about people: if we think about heat and health, then we are concerned about people’s ability to cool themselves. It is more difficult to cool people when it is humid because sweat does not evaporate. Suppose that in addition to this moisture, there is a region where the ground is soaked with water from flooding. Then on top of already moist air coming from the Gulf, there is local evaporation into the air being warmed by the Sun. If on the interior of the high, where the rain is suppressed, there is hot, wet air, then it becomes dangerous heat.

It’s not easy to derive a number that describes dangerous heat. But in much of the eastern U.S. a number that somehow combines temperature and humidity is useful. Meteorologists often use the heat index. It’s the summer time version of “it’s 98 degrees, but it feels like 105.” For moist climates, the heat index is one version of the “it feels like” temperature. Jeff Masters tells me that in Newton, Iowa yesterday, July 17, 2011, the heat index was 126 degrees F. (see here, and 131 F in Knoxville, Iowa on July 18)

Another measure of heat and humidity is the dew point; that is, the temperature at which dew forms, and effectively limits the nighttime low. The dew points in Iowa, South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin are currently very high and setting records. Here is a map of dew point for July 19, 2011.



Figure 2: Exceptionally high dew points centered on Iowa.


Now if I was a public health official, and I was trying to understand how a warming planet might impact my life, then here is how I would think about it. First, the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific are going to be warmer, and hence, there will be more humid air. This will mean, with regard to human health for the central U.S., heat waves will become more dangerous, without necessarily becoming hotter. It is also reasonable to expect heat waves will become more frequent and last longer, because those persistent, stuck high pressure systems are, in part, forced by the higher sea surface temperatures. If I am a public health official here is my algorithm – heat waves are already important to my life, and they are likely to get more dangerous, more frequent, and of longer duration. But by how much? Do I need to know by how much before I decide on a plan for action?

If I think about the air being more humid, then I might expect to see trends in the heat index. I might expect to see trends in dew points, and trends in the nighttime minimum temperatures getting higher. (That’s where a greenhouse effect really matters.) I worry about persistent heat, warm nights, and the inability of people and buildings to cool themselves. I worry about their being dangerous heat in places where people and emergency rooms are not used to dangerous heat – not acclimated to heat – not looking for heat-related illness.

Let’s go back to the figure. Rain is suppressed in the middle of the high pressure system, but around the edge of the high pressure system it will rain; there will be storms. (see Figure 3 at the end) The air around the edge of high is warm and very wet. Wet air is energetic air, and it is reasonable to expect local severe storms. (See Severe Storm on Lake Michigan) And if the high pressure is persistent, stuck, then days of extreme weather are possible. If this pattern sets up, then there is increased likelihood of flooding. If I am that public health official, then I am alerted to the possibility of more extreme weather and the dangers thereof. But, again, can the increase of extreme weather be quantified? Do I need to quantify it before I decide on a plan of action?

Still with the figure - what about that region of extended drought and the heat from the high pressure system? Dehydration becomes a more important issue. As a public health official, I start to see the relation of the heat event to other aspects of the weather, the climate. I see the relation to drought. I see the flood, and it’s relation to the winter snow pack and spring rains.

So what I have presented here is to look at the local mechanisms of the weather – what are the basic underlying physics responsible for hot and cold, wet and dry – for moist air? If I stick to these basic physics, and let the climate model frame the more complex regional and global picture, what can I say about the future? Do I have to have a formal prediction to take action? Here in 2011, I see drought and flood and hot weather and warm oceans that interact together to make a period of sustained, dangerous heat. It does not have to “set a record” to convey the reality of the warming earth. It tells me the type of event that is likely to come more often, of longer duration, and of, perhaps, of greater intensity. If I am a public health planner, then I can know this with some certainty. The question becomes, how do I use that information in my planning?

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Figure 3: Radar loop showing precipitation around the edge of the large high pressure system in the middle of the continent. July 19, 2011.

Previous Blogs on Heat Waves

Hot in Denver: Heat Waves (1)

Heat Waves (2): Heat and Humans

Heat Waves (3): Role of Global Warming




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1151. martinitony 11:39 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting cyclonebuster:
I see we are still flirting with disaster.



You're right. It was just a flirtation.

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1152. Neapolitan 1:38 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
--19 nations hit all-time record highs in 2010, three more have so far done so this year, and there are likely more to come.

--No nations have hit all-time record lows since at least 2009.

--United States record high and high minimum temperatures have outnumbered record lows and low minimums this year by better than 2-to-1 (33,650 to 16,672). New high maximum records have outnumbered new low minimum records by 10,556 to 4,299, or 2.45-to-1.

--Many areas of the nation just ended their hottest July ever. From the Midwest to the Atlantic Seaboard, it has been nothing but heat. Record highs of all types outnumbered record lows by 8,744 to 1,195, a ratio of 7.3-to-1.

--It's also been nothing but wet, either; several locations--including Chicago--saw all-time record high one-day rainfalls.

--Record high heat indices were set all across the nation, with numerous locations setting all-time record highs in that regard.

--It's not just the US, of course; Korea just last week saw the heaviest rainfalls in its history. So did the Philippines. So did Japan. So did Brazil. So did Australia.

And this, of course, comes on the heels of remarkable tornado records, flood records, snowfall records, drought records, and on and on and on and on. And all this in what was supposed to be a "cool" year. (And if you think this is something, wait until next year.)

This all begs the question: just what is it that people aren't seeing? And more to the point: is it simply ideology that's preventing them from seeing it?
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1153. nymore 3:05 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Neapolitan- I am calling BS on your statements and records. Chicago set a calendar day record not a 24 hour record. Your right it has been nothing but wet for a week, the first 3 weeks in Chicago rainfall was .45 inches 3rd driest. The monthly record for Chicago is 17.10 inches as of July 29 Chicago has received 11.15 inches source NWS. Australia daily rainfall record 35.7 inches, monthly record 212 inches, yearly record 490.59 inches. source Australian Bureau of Meteorology. I will check the others when I have some time. This is why you should include sources.
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1154. PurpleDrank 3:17 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
This all begs the question: just what is it that people aren't seeing? And more to the point: is it simply ideology that's preventing them from seeing it?

Never before seen huge wind storms on Saturn's south pole.

Never before seen asteroids in Earth's blindspots.



Is it simply idealogy that prevents us from excepting the randomness of nature?


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1155. Neapolitan 3:41 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Neapolitan- I am calling BS on your statements and records. Chicago set a calendar day record not a 24 hour record. Your right it has been nothing but wet for a week, the first 3 weeks in Chicago rainfall was .45 inches 3rd driest. The monthly record for Chicago is 17.10 inches as of July 29 Chicago has received 11.15 inches source NWS. Australia daily rainfall record 35.7 inches, monthly record 212 inches, yearly record 490.59 inches. source Australian Bureau of Meteorology. I will check the others when I have some time. This is why you should include sources.

You try so hard, and I give you props for that, but in your haste to disprove me, you've again failed. sigh...

Chicago had the wettest day in its 130-year record. Period. My sources are the NCDC. I know it's a government organization and as such is suspect to most CWMs, but it's a real record regardless.

Parts of Australia have seen by far their rainiest single-day, single-month, and single-season rainfalls ever. Period. My sources are again government organizations and as such are alsosuspect to most CWMs, but they are real records regardless.

The fact is, extreme weather has been happening around the globe with increasing frequency and severity, just as AGWT predicted it would. And, Roy Spencer wishful thinking notwithstanding, it's only going to get worse. Much worse.

I do appreciate your spending so much time double-checking me; I'm sure you'll find as folks always do that I am as accurate and precise as possible.
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1156. Neapolitan 3:42 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:
This all begs the question: just what is it that people aren't seeing? And more to the point: is it simply ideology that's preventing them from seeing it?

Never before seen huge wind storms on Saturn's south pole.

Never before seen asteroids in Earth's blindspots.



Is it simply idealogy that prevents us from excepting the randomness of nature?



I suppose one could look at everything that's been happening and say, "I'm sure it's all just random." But that's a very unscientific approach. When the random and the extreme become commonplace and unavoidable, they're no longer random and extreme: they're the new normal.
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1157. PurpleDrank 3:50 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
The fact is, extreme weather has been happening around the globe with increasing frequency and severity, just as AGWT predicted it would. And, Roy Spencer wishful thinking notwithstanding, it's only going to get worse. Much worse.


I predict, sometime between now and the end of time in the universe, that it will snow in Miami again.

I predict, sometime between now and the end of time in the universe, the Great Lakes will freeze completely.

I predict, sometime between now and the end of time in the universe, the oceans on Earth will boil.

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1159. nymore 4:08 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Neapolitan please link your sources as I stated Chicago calendar day record not a 24 hour record SOURCE- NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. Australia has not set even 1 record for the month of July SOURCE- AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY. Now I would like to see your sources since I did not know the NCDC is the record keeper for Australia. PS- You are accurate and precise hahahahaha that is the line of the day and I must say it will be tough to beat.
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1160. nymore 4:45 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Tasmania did have a rainfall record in January. Tasmania is an island and not part of mainland Australia. Since both the daily and monthly records happened in 1 day January 13th 2011 and the next record daily and monthly record is on January 30th 1916 also a 1 day event. No seasonal records were set. I will not put much stake in the climate change part. These rainfall events are extremely rare. BTW All time record low temperature recorded in The United States in 2011
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1161. atmoaggie 4:47 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Remember the expected record-sized (fish choking, unprecedented, [insert-hyprebole-ridiculae-here]) dead zone? Was expected to be large due to the flooding in the Mississippi watershed.

Didn't happen. Is larger than average, but not close to record.

Oxygen levels:


In this article: http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2011/08 /dead_zone_larger_than_average.html

And they say:
"The major disruptor of the size was Tropical Storm Don that followed the Research Vessel Pelican across the Gulf of Mexico towards Texas and whipped up the winds and waves," Rabalais said in a news release issued overnight.

?
Umm, no, there were no special wind or wave conditions along the LA coast from Don (much less any clouds, for that matter). Tiny little system that just about didn't happen.

So any ideas as to why it really didn't meet the expectations?
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1162. streamtracker 5:28 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Remember the expected record-sized (fish choking, unprecedented, [insert-hyprebole-ridiculae-here]) dead zone? Was expected to be large due to the flooding in the Mississippi watershed.

Didn't happen. Is larger than average, but not close to record.

Oxygen levels:


In this article: http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2011/08 /dead_zone_larger_than_average.html

And they say:
"The major disruptor of the size was Tropical Storm Don that followed the Research Vessel Pelican across the Gulf of Mexico towards Texas and whipped up the winds and waves," Rabalais said in a news release issued overnight.

?
Umm, no, there were no special wind or wave conditions along the LA coast from Don (much less any clouds, for that matter). Tiny little system that just about didn't happen.

So any ideas as to why it really didn't meet the expectations?

Why? Maybe you should just read your own links.

"Weather conditions caused by Tropical Storm Don may actually have resulted in an underestimate of the size of the low-oxygen area, the news release said, as measuring oxygen in the water level closest to bottom "on a ship rolling in 5 to 6 ft swells presented additiional sampling issues that interfered with precise measurements at some stations."

Other possible reasons for the lower-than-expected size of the hypoxia area were that more southerly and southwesterly winds in the weeks before the cruise may have pushed the low-oxygen water towards the east, and the Mississippi River floodwater flow slowed dramatically during July, the news release said."


At the size of Connecticut, it's still a significant fish-choking event. This type of event impacts the lives of many fishermen and shrimpers. Hardly something to make light about.

Coastal Ocean Dead Zones Increasing at Exponential Rate Worldwide
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1163. streamtracker 5:50 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:



The fact is, extreme weather has been happening around the globe with increasing frequency and severity, just as AGWT predicted it would. And, Roy Spencer wishful thinking notwithstanding, it's only going to get worse. Much worse.


Neapol's statement is in agreement with the a growing body of scientific literature. In this case we have models that underestimate the changes in extreme precipitation events.

Here is one example of a recent paper dealing with this issue:

Human contribution to more-intense precipitation extremes. Seung-Ki Min, et al. Nature 470, 378–381 (17 February 2011)

Extremes of weather and climate can have devastating effects on human society and the environment. Understanding past changes in the characteristics of such events, including recent increases in the intensity of heavy precipitation events over a large part of the Northern Hemisphere land area is critical for reliable projections of future changes. Given that atmospheric water-holding capacity is expected to increase roughly exponentially with temperature—and that atmospheric water content is increasing in accord with this theoretical expectation - it has been suggested that human-influenced global warming may be partly responsible for increases in heavy precipitation. Because of the limited availability of daily observations, however, most previous studies have examined only the potential detectability of changes in extreme precipitation through model–model comparisons. Here we show that human-induced increases in greenhouse gases have contributed to the observed intensification of heavy precipitation events found over approximately two-thirds of data-covered parts of Northern Hemisphere land areas. These results are based on a comparison of observed and multi-model simulated changes in extreme precipitation over the latter half of the twentieth century analysed with an optimal fingerprinting technique. Changes in extreme precipitation projected by models, and thus the impacts of future changes in extreme precipitation, may be underestimated because models seem to underestimate the observed increase in heavy precipitation with warming1.
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1164. atmoaggie 5:58 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting streamtracker:

Why? Maybe you should just read your own links.

"Weather conditions caused by Tropical Storm Don may actually have resulted in an underestimate of the size of the low-oxygen area, the news release said, as measuring oxygen in the water level closest to bottom "on a ship rolling in 5 to 6 ft swells presented additiional sampling issues that interfered with precise measurements at some stations."

Other possible reasons for the lower-than-expected size of the hypoxia area were that more southerly and southwesterly winds in the weeks before the cruise may have pushed the low-oxygen water towards the east, and the Mississippi River floodwater flow slowed dramatically during July, the news release said."


At the size of Connecticut, it's still a significant fish-choking event. This type of event impacts the lives of many fishermen and shrimpers. Hardly something to make light about.

Coastal Ocean Dead Zones Increasing at Exponential Rate Worldwide
Make light? Of course not.

The alarming (always), well-publicized prognostication didn't happen. Again. Like usual.

(Aside: I'm all for less pollutants and no dead zone. But I'm more for lower food prices and less hungry people, globally.)
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1165. PurpleDrank 5:59 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Drought- man's fault

Too much rain- man's fault

There is no debate. This is a kindergarten argument of repitition..

"why?
"because.
"why?
"because.
"why?
"because.
"why?
"because."
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1166. Ossqss 6:30 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
A little over a year ago a number of climate change activists (including the owner of this site) attended a two week seminar, I believe in Denver. This seminar was to figure out how to better communicate weather extremes and anomolies.

By virtue of metastasis, every event of any sort is now climate change related.

Just look at the headlines, blogs put forth, and the posts from the ideologues on this site and particular blog.

Most ever !

In recorded history !

In the last 1,000 years !


How many times do you hear "Unprecedented" by some and a 30 year record of events under the statement?

I really enjoyed the "worst in 1,000 years" statement with respect to the Russian heat wave which was admittedly caused by a natural blocking pattern.

The embellishment is obvious and ongoing.

You simply can't cover credibility and publicity problems by connecting weather dots with a climate change pen. It's not working.

Hence, the failure of Kyoto is all the evidence you need.
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1167. Patrap 6:35 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Its Hot,,and getting hotter,,..phew !
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1168. PurpleDrank 6:38 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
my thoughts exactly, Ossqss

any study that refutes "predictions" of one side of the argument causes an atmosphere like what you would see on the floor of Congress or Parliment.

To me personally, that is more along the lines of parlimentary procedure...which leads to the great stall in real progress and understanding.



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1169. PurpleDrank 6:45 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Hence the Green Movement

not the Green Understanding

does science really need advertising to be accepted?


when there is one sigular sample (the Earth) and one sigular hypothesis (is man the climate changer?), can you call the experiment accurate? And is 30 years of testing the hypothesis enough to prove its validity?

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1170. streamtracker 6:50 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:
Drought- man's fault

Too much rain- man's fault

There is no debate. This is a kindergarten argument of repitition..

"why?
"because.
"why?
"because.
"why?
"because.
"why?
"because."


Kindergarten? You seem a bit lost. Let me give you a hand. To replace your "because's", just read the primary literature or look for reputable sources of information for laypeople. There is lot's of scientific information out there to fill in the areas where you lack knowledge. Science Daily is a great place to start to fill in your because's.

For an answer to your questions about why more precipitation and droughts, look up some information on what sets up climate zones on the planet. Global circulation zones are not random. Neither are things like rain shadows caused by mountain ranges. From there you can jump into the IPCC report which reviews this topic in detail.

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1171. Ossqss 6:51 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:
my thoughts exactly, Ossqss

any study that refutes "predictions" of one side of the argument causes an atmosphere like what you would see on the floor of Congress or Parliment.

To me personally, that is more along the lines of parlimentary procedure...which leads to the great stall in real progress and understanding.





I hear that!

All over 1.4 highly questionable degrees across 160 years. But it is the rapid nature of the rise, but it stopped for a decade? Yep, its fossel fuels fault the temp stopped, but now it is faster than ever due to scrubbers on the coal plants in China, no matter if they are opening up more than one a week?

Yea right, ya think!

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1172. streamtracker 6:58 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:
A little over a year ago a number of climate change activists (including the owner of this site) attended a two week seminar, I believe in Denver. This seminar was to figure out how to better communicate weather extremes and anomolies.

By virtue of metastasis, every event of any sort is now climate change related.

Just look at the headlines, blogs put forth, and the posts from the ideologues on this site and particular blog.

Most ever !

In recorded history !

In the last 1,000 years !


How many times do you hear "Unprecedented" by some and a 30 year record of events under the statement?

I really enjoyed the "worst in 1,000 years" statement with respect to the Russian heat wave which was admittedly caused by a natural blocking pattern.

The embellishment is obvious and ongoing.

You simply can't cover credibility and publicity problems by connecting weather dots with a climate change pen. It's not working.

Hence, the failure of Kyoto is all the evidence you need.


Why do you implicate Jeff Master's in your conspiracy theory? He is always cautious when making attributions for single events. As are the overwhelming majority of climate scientists. If the popular press is often poor at it, that is not a reflection on what the science can say with a high degree of certainty.
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1173. PurpleDrank 6:59 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting streamtracker:


Kindergarten? You seem a bit lost. Let me give you a hand. To replace your "because's", just read the primary literature or look for reputable sources of information for laypeople. There is lot's of scientific information out there to fill in the areas where you lack knowledge. Science Daily is a great place to start to fill in your because's.

For an answer to your questions about why more precipitation and droughts, look up some information on what sets up climate zones on the planet. Global circulation zones are not random. Neither are things like rain shadows caused by mountain ranges. From there you can jump into the IPCC report which reviews this topic in detail.



Thanks. I'll check that out after we play climate duck-duck-goose and ground temperature hide-and-seek.
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1174. Neapolitan 7:52 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting nymore:
Neapolitan please link your sources as I stated Chicago calendar day record not a 24 hour record SOURCE- NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. Australia has not set even 1 record for the month of July SOURCE- AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY. Now I would like to see your sources since I did not know the NCDC is the record keeper for Australia. PS- You are accurate and precise hahahahaha that is the line of the day and I must say it will be tough to beat.

For the second time: I never said anything about a 24-hour rainfall record, so I'm not sure why you insist on focusing on that. I wrote, "It's also been nothing but wet, either; several locations--including Chicago--saw all-time record high one-day rainfalls." I've proven it right; if you can prove it wrong, go ahead and try.

Now, is this a matter of being blinded by ideology? I think perhaps it is. At any rate, constant attempts at "pwning" grow tiresome--especially when they're fruitless.
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1175. Neapolitan 7:53 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting nymore:
All time record low temperature recorded in The United States in 2011

No. There was an all-time record low in Oklahoma.
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1176. Patrap 7:58 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
I smell Tea brewing?
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1177. Neapolitan 8:01 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:
A little over a year ago a number of climate change activists (including the owner of this site) attended a two week seminar, I believe in Denver. This seminar was to figure out how to better communicate weather extremes and anomolies.

By virtue of metastasis, every event of any sort is now climate change related.

Just look at the headlines, blogs put forth, and the posts from the ideologues on this site and particular blog.

Most ever !

In recorded history !

In the last 1,000 years !


How many times do you hear "Unprecedented" by some and a 30 year record of events under the statement?

I really enjoyed the "worst in 1,000 years" statement with respect to the Russian heat wave which was admittedly caused by a natural blocking pattern.

The embellishment is obvious and ongoing.

You simply can't cover credibility and publicity problems by connecting weather dots with a climate change pen. It's not working.

Hence, the failure of Kyoto is all the evidence you need.

Only a true denialist would look at a "worst in 1,000 years" heat wave and say, "It's just part of a natural blocking pattern".

Right. ;-)

I'm not sure what you've beeen reading, but the only records breaking a 30-year set are the Arctic Sea ice satellite measurements. Multiple temperature and precipitation records that have stood since the late 1800s--that is, when official recprdkeeping began in many areas--have been shattered in the last few years.

A person would have to be ideologically blind to not see how quickly things are changing...
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1178. nymore 8:02 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
That was what I said all time record low IN The United States that is only if Oklahoma is still IN The United States
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1179. Neapolitan 8:04 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Ossqss:


I hear that!

All over 1.4 highly questionable degrees across 160 years. But it is the rapid nature of the rise, but it stopped for a decade? Yep, its fossel fuels fault the temp stopped, but now it is faster than ever due to scrubbers on the coal plants in China, no matter if they are opening up more than one a week?

Yea right, ya think!


Anyone of the opinion that a degree-and-a-half rise in global temps is petty probably needs to go back to Climate Basics 101.
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1180. Patrap 8:04 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Sen. Inhofe "R" is a big lurker here...and poster.
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1181. nymore 8:07 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Global Warming causes vast decline in tornadoes for the months of June and July 2011 versus averages. Actual statistics and averages are from NOAA. I say if alarmists claim AGWT causes them then we skeptics can claim the same thing. Although there is no proof found in any study proving either is right.
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1182. JBastardi 8:16 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
A new paper is out demonstrating that severe weather is caused by colder climate, not warming.

Link
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1183. Ossqss 8:21 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Only a true denialist would look at a "worst in 1,000 years" heat wave and say, "It's just part of a natural blocking pattern".

Right. ;-)

I'm not sure what you've beeen reading, but the only records breaking a 30-year set are the Arctic Sea ice satellite measurements. Multiple temperature and precipitation records that have stood since the late 1800s--that is, when official recprdkeeping began in many areas--have been shattered in the last few years.

A person would have to be ideologically blind to not see how quickly things are changing...


You must be smarter than NOAA :)

Natural Variability Main Culprit of Deadly Russian Heat Wave That Killed Thousands
NOAA March 9, 2011
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1184. PurpleDrank 8:28 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Anyone of the opinion that a degree-and-a-half rise in global temps is petty probably needs to go back to Climate Basics 101.


What institution did you study Climate Basics 101 at?
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1185. PurpleDrank 8:30 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
and what keeps skeptics from bieng believers?

the asterik.

* since record keeping began in 1979
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1186. sullivanweather 8:32 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

I suppose one could look at everything that's been happening and say, "I'm sure it's all just random." But that's a very unscientific approach. When the random and the extreme become commonplace and unavoidable, they're no longer random and extreme: they're the new normal.


When it comes to weather, the random and extreme are commonplace and unavoidable. It always has been. That's the nature of weather. Using a localized weather event, such as a calendar day rainfall record for Chicago, in trying to prove a human component to the global climate is sophomoric.
There isn't one shred of evidence that today's weather is any more extreme than any other period on record in question in any other region of the world. There simply isn't. In other words, there are hundreds of examples of extreme weather of varying nature for various places at various stable lengths of time that can be compared against each other.

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1187. JupiterKen 8:48 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Sen. Inhofe "R" is a big lurker here...and poster.


Senator Inhofe reads this site? Well, all I can say is "Keep up the good work!".
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1188. Patrap 8:52 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
I forgot the er,"sarcasm" flare,flag apparently.

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1189. Patrap 8:57 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
May I entertain the specific on Him..?

..maybe google his committee Chairmanships as well.


Climate Change Update
Senate Floor Statement by
U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe(R-Okla)

January 4, 2005


These findings come alongside a spate of new reports that, at least in the eyes of the media, supposedly confirm the "consensus" on global warming. "The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment," released last fall, perfectly fits that mold. "Arctic Perils Seen in Warming," blared a headline in the New York Times. As the Times wrote, "The findings support the broad but politically controversial scientific consensus that global warming is caused mainly by rising atmospheric concentrations of heat-trapping greenhouse gases, and that the Arctic is the first region to feel its effects."

What do we really know about temperatures in the Arctic? Let's take a closer look. As Oregon State University climatologist George Taylor has shown, Arctic temperatures are actually slightly cooler today than they were in the 1930s. [Chart #1] As Dr. Taylor has explained, it's all relative-in other words, it depends on the specific time period chosen in making temperature comparisons. "The [Arctic Climate Impact Assessment]," Dr. Taylor wrote, "appears to be guilty of selective use of data. Many of the trends described in the document begin in the 1960s or 1970s-cool decades in much of the world-and end in the warmer 1990s or early 2000s. So, for example, temperatures have warmed in the last 40 years, and the implication, 'if present trends continue,' is that massive warming will occur in the next century."




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1190. Patrap 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
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1191. streamtracker 9:56 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting PurpleDrank:


Thanks. I'll check that out after we play climate duck-duck-goose and ground temperature hide-and-seek.


I had no illusion that you would and expected you to remain in your sandbox. But, perhaps some others will not be bamboozled by your misleading and clearly uninformed comments.
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1192. theshepherd 10:26 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Remember the expected record-sized (fish choking, unprecedented, [insert-hyprebole-ridiculae-here]) dead zone? Was expected to be large due to the flooding in the Mississippi watershed.

Didn't happen. Is larger than average, but not close to record.

Oxygen levels:


In this article: http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2011/08 /dead_zone_larger_than_average.html

And they say:
"The major disruptor of the size was Tropical Storm Don that followed the Research Vessel Pelican across the Gulf of Mexico towards Texas and whipped up the winds and waves," Rabalais said in a news release issued overnight.

?
Umm, no, there were no special wind or wave conditions along the LA coast from Don (much less any clouds, for that matter). Tiny little system that just about didn't happen.

So any ideas as to why it really didn't meet the expectations?


Mostly questions. :)

Why would the phytoplankton bloom that dies and creates the dead zone be lower than expected?

Could the quantities of COREXIT used to disperse the oil spill have a play here?

Did any unusual eddies that spin off the Gulf Stream loop somehow disperse phytoplankton or dilute fresh water in any unusual way?

Have the severe rains and floodings upstream prevented or delayed the normal applications of fertilizers (no reason to fertilize a flooded yard or field) or diluted them?

Does ocean acidification affect the phytoplankton bloom or create an enviroment for viruses that may affect their growth as seen in coral bleaching now championed to be caused by acidification alone? As Coral reef restoration projects have been overwhelmingly successful(much to the dismay and posturing of GW and acidification alarmists). It is what it is.

Or did they just get it all wrong? Considering the sloppy performance of their climate models, that would not surprise me in the least.

I'll go with the last one...they just do sloppy work with blinders on. Tsch tsch...



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1193. streamtracker 10:49 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting sullivanweather:


When it comes to weather, the random and extreme are commonplace and unavoidable. It always has been. That's the nature of weather. Using a localized weather event, such as a calendar day rainfall record for Chicago, in trying to prove a human component to the global climate is sophomoric.
There isn't one shred of evidence that today's weather is any more extreme than any other period on record in question in any other region of the world. There simply isn't. In other words, there are hundreds of examples of extreme weather of varying nature for various places at various stable lengths of time that can be compared against each other.



I agree that it is very hard to tie one event to AGW. And there is one paper I know that attempts to do so. But, looking at long-term trends over various spatial scales, "not one shred". Really.

http://idn.ceos.org/climdiag/Metadata.do?Portal=c limatediagnostics&KeywordPath=[Data_Center%3A+Shor t_Name%3D%27USGCRP%27]&NumericId=33565&MetadataVie w=Text&MetadataType=0&lbnode=mdlb2

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/ S0012821X10006072

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5986/1642.s hort

https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1477

http://www.springerlink.com/content/9734gl1774750 362/

From post above: Human contribution to more-intense precipitation extremes. Seung-Ki Min, et al. Nature 470, 378–381 (17 February 2011)

Don't have time to post links to the dozens of other papers done at regional and global scale.



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1194. Ossqss 11:52 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting streamtracker:


I agree that it is very hard to tie one event to AGW. And there is one paper I know that attempts to do so. But, looking at long-term trends over various spatial scales, "not one shred". Really.

http://idn.ceos.org/climdiag/Metadata.do?Portal=c limatediagnostics&KeywordPath=[Data_Center%3A Shor t_Name%3D%27USGCRP%27]&NumericId=33565&Met adataVie w=Text&MetadataType=0&lbnode=mdlb2

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/ S0012821X10006072

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5986/1642.s hort

https://bora.uib.no/handle/1956/1477

http://www.springerlink.com/content/9734gl1774750 362/

From post above: Human contribution to more-intense precipitation extremes. Seung-Ki Min, et al. Nature 470, 378%u2013381 (17 February 2011)

Don't have time to post links to the dozens of other papers done at regional and global scale.





So let me get this right.

The first referenced addresses, not links, are not functional.
The next talks about Dry times ahead due to climate change and the next talks about excess precipitation due to climate change.

Everything is a climate change problem?

You are correct, just not for the reasons you think.

Here, try one small piece of the puzzle that does not contradict itself.

Land use/land cover changes and climate: Modeling
analysis and
observational evidence
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1195. PurpleDrank 11:52 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
we only acknowledge shreads since 1979 in this library, young man.

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1196. Ossqss 1:07 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
Purple, you killed the blog :)

Here,,,,,,,,, slice this one to pieces folks.

C'mon, you can do it?

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1197. cyclonebuster 1:18 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
10th place since 1979.


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1198. cyclonebuster 1:29 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
Quoting sullivanweather:


Maybe the last week of August, CycloneBuster.



I know it is really broken up now.
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1199. MITPROF 1:34 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
Quoting cyclonebuster:


I posted my idea on Mythbusters forum.

Seems ole Hugh Willoughby made it there somehow.



quote:
Originally posted by Chizzleface:
I had a reply from Dr Willoughby about the discussions Patrick had with him over this device...

quote:
Yes, I have spoken with Patrick, and, yes, a scheme somewhat like the one he describes could weaken hurricanes threatening places like Miami that have strong western-margin currents just offshore. There are, however, numerous qualifications.

The scheme that we discussed involved an array of several rows devices across the Gulfstream. Each device would be a rectangular duct 140 m long and 10 by 14 m in cross section. Normally the devices would be moored horizontally at a depth of 100m with their long axes aligned with the current flow. They would be nearly neutrally buoyant. When a hurricane approached, ballast at the downstream end of the channel would be released, allowing the device to float up to a 45 deg angle. Cold water entering the upstream end would flow up to the surface and mix with the warmer water there. Since the mixture would be negatively buoyant, it would sink. But mixing due to several (3-10) lines of these devices could cool the surface waters of the Gulfstream by 1-2C, enough to weaken an Andrew-like hurricane from category 5 to category 3. A rough calculation indicates that a device every 100 m on each line of moorings (~1000 devices per ~100 km line) and 3-10 lines of moorings would be required. My guess is that it would cost $250K to fabricate and deploy a single device, but there might be economies of scale. One might also be able to optimize the size and spacing of the devices.

Let's say that careful calculation told us that 4 lines of 1000 devices each would do the trick. At $0.25M per device, the cost works out to 4*1000*($0.25M) = $1000M. The actual cost might range from a few hundred million to a small multiple of a (US = 1000M) billion. One would want to do a detailed simulation before defining the scope of the project, but the basic notion is conversion of some of the kinetic energy of the Gulfstream into gravitational potential energy of the mixed water column. Again, I've not done that detailed simulation, only back-of-the-envelope calculations.

Activation of the array would require accurate forecasting since it would take several days for the effect to make its way from south of the Dry Tortugas (optimum location for protecting the maximum amount of shoreline) to the landfall point.

South Florida gets hit by a category 4 or 5 hurricane at every few years, but the really damaging ones like Andrew tend to be once-a-generation events, or less frequent. The array would need to be deployed and maintained for a long time between activations that actually safeguard property, although false alarms would not be particularly costly. Annual maintenance could easily exceed 10% of initial deployment cost. Bear in mind that Key West to Jacksonville is the only stretch of US coastline where this strategy would work. The other vulnerable sites, Houston-Galveston and New Orleans, lack the necessary strong offshore currents. While Georgia and the Carolinas also experience many hurricane landfalls and have the Gulfstream offshore, most of these cyclones are already weakening because of vertical shear of the horizontal wind so that a second installation north of Jacksonville would be much less useful.

There has been a lot of talk about using wave and current energy to cool the ocean ahead of hurricanes. My general conclusion is that while these ideas might be made to work, the proponents underestimate the scope of the required effort, as well as the political will and recurring cost necessary to keep the project going in the long intervals between really damaging hurricanes. Skeptic that I am, I think that wiser land-use policy and more rigorous building standards are much more cost-effective and more politically feasible. A proof-of-concept that might entail deploying a half dozen devices has some appeal, but I think that there are more promising ways to spend disaster-prevention money.

Best regards,

Hugh Willoughby



Link




I believe ole Hugh said it all there, I do have one question on one of his statements. In your above statement you said that you believe that there is better ways to spend money for disaster prevention. Please explain. I believe that Pat has pointed out several promising facts on how his " Tunnels " can prevent disaster including death and monitary and enviromental damage to the Gulf coast then hopefully someone will take this to the next level. Ive seen the model video and the schematic of his and he proves 100% that this is a natural energy source. To comment on another statement listed above on possibly decreasing hurricanes from a catagory 5 to a catagory 3, if there is any doubt that this can possibly work then investors and meteoroligists from around the world need to be looking into this. We waste billion's and billion's of dollars in foreign aid that we don't have, beings our deficit is in the Trillions and operating cash balance only being 73.8 billion. Hell why not, a few billion more wont hurt to invest into somthing that could possibly turn that number into a positive and save our oil reserve. Just my thoughts.
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1200. cyclonebuster 1:36 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
Well put MITPROF! I am glad you picked up on the fact how it produces power also. We no longer have to depend on foreign oil with this idea. GHG's are a thing of the past.

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1201. Neapolitan 2:01 AM GMT op 02 augustus 2011    
For any of you left who wonder how generalized warming can cause localized cooling:

Seattle spring was the coldest, one of the cloudiest on record

Scientists have confirmed what many suspected about this year’s weather. It was the coldest spring on record for Washington and one of the cloudiest.

The average temperature for April, May and June was lower than any year since 1900, say University of Washington scientists. And the days were more cloudy than all but one year since those records began 60 years ago.

"We were still getting wintertime cloud cover into late June, which is the most remarkable aspect to me," said James Johnstone, a research associate with the Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean in the UW College of the Environment.

Cliff Mass, also with UW, says the clouds and temps were caused by a weather pattern that could become typical as North America heats up.

"Under global warming type scenarios, with the general warmth of the continent increasing, what we found is that we actually get more clouds west of the Cascades under global warming during the spring and early summer.
It's really interesting," Mass said.

Mass add that the hotter it gets inland, the more we seem to get the sort of pattern that brings cooler air from the ocean into western Washington.

And, even though the clouds have cleared up this week, there are still no really hot days in the local forecast.

KPLU Article...
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