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The March 2 - 3 tornado outbreak: one EF-4, 39 deaths
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:40 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012 +40
A blanket of snow 2 - 4 inches deep fell yesterday on the regions of Southern Indiana and Northern Kentucky pounded by deadly tornadoes on Friday, adding to the misery of survivors. The violent tornado rampage killed 39 and injured hundreds more, wreaking property damage that will likely exceed $1 billion. Hardest hit were Kentucky and Southern Indiana, which suffered 21 and 12 dead, respectively. Three were killed in Ohio, and one each in Alabama and Georgia. The scale of the outbreak was enormous, with a preliminary total of 139 tornadoes touching down in eleven states, from southern Ohio to Northern Florida. The National Weather Service issued 297 tornado warnings and 388 severe thunderstorm warnings. At one point, 31 separate tornado warnings were in effect during the outbreak, and an area larger than Nebraska--81,000 square miles--received tornado warnings. Tornado watches were posted for 300,000 square miles--an area larger than Texas.


Video 1. Spectacular video of the EF-4 tornado that devastated Henrysville and Marysville, Indiana on March 2, 2012. You can see small satellite vorticies rotating on the side of the main vortex.


Video 2. Another video of the EF-4 tornado that devastated Henrysville and Marysville, Indiana on March 2, 2012, taken from a gas station.

The deadliest and most violent tornado: an EF-4
The deadliest and most violent tornado of the March 2, 2012 outbreak was an EF-4 with winds up to 175 mph that demolished much of Henryville, Chelsea, Marysville, and New Pekin, Indiana. Ten minutes after that tornado demolished much of Henryville, a weaker EF-1 tornado hit the town. The twin tornadoes killed twelve people. The Henryville tornado was the only violent EF-4 tornado of the outbreak.



Figure 1. Radar reflectivity image (top) and Doppler velocity image (bottom) of the two tornadoes that hit Henryville, Indiana on March 2, 2012. The first (rightmost) hook echo on the reflectivity image belonged to the only violent tornado of the outbreak, an EF-4 with winds of 166 - 200 mph. Ten minutes after that tornado demolished much of Henryville, a second tornado hit the town. These tornadoes also caused severe damage to the towns of Chelsea, Marysville, and New Pekin, and killed twelve people.

At least eleven other tornadoes in the outbreak have been classified as EF-3s with winds of 136 - 165 mph. Capitalclimate.com reports that the EF-3 tornadoes that crossed three Eastern Kentucky counties were the first tornadoes that strong ever observed, since tornado records began in 1950. The deadliest of the EF-3 tornadoes hit West Liberty, Kentucky, killing eight. Here's a summary of the deadly tornadoes of the outbreak taken from Wikipedia:

EF-4, 12 deaths, Henrysville, Indiana
EF-3, 8 deaths, West Liberty, Kentucky\
EF-2, 5 deaths, East Bernstadt, Kentucky
EF-3, 4 deaths, Crittenden, Kentucky
EF-3, 2 deaths, Holton, Indiana
EF-3, 3 deaths, Peach Grove, Ohio
EF-3, 2 deaths, Blaine, Kentucky
EF-3, 2 deaths, Salyersville, Kentucky
EF-2, 1 death, Jackson's Gap, Alabama


Figure 2. Damage in West Liberty, Kentucky after the March 2, 2012 EF-3 tornado. Image taken from from a Kentucky National Guard Blackhawk helicopter, while landing in West Liberty, KY (Morgan County).


Figure 3. Radar image of the West Liberty, Kentucky EF-3 tornado of March 2, 2012, showing a classic hook echo. The tornado carved a 60-mile-long path through Eastern Kentucky, causing extreme damage in West Liberty. The tornado killed six in West Liberty and two near Frenchburg. At least 75 people were injured. It was the first EF-3 tornado in Eastern Kentucky since 1988.


Video 3. A woman prays for deliverance of West Liberty as the ominous wall cloud of the developing tornado approaches the town.

Incredibly fast-moving storms
The speed with which some of the storms moved was truly exceptional, thanks to jet stream winds of up to 115 mph that pushed the thunderstorms forward at amazing speeds. A number of the tornadoes ripped through Kentucky with forward speeds of 70 mph, and two tornado warnings in Central Kentucky were issued for parent thunderstorms that moved at 85 mph. NWS damage surveys have not yet determined if one of the tornadoes from the outbreak has beaten the record for the fastest moving tornado, the 73 mph forward speed of the great 1925 Tri-State Tornado, the deadliest U.S. tornado of all-time.


Video 4. A family gets in their car in an attempt to flee the Borden, Indiana tornado of March 2, 2012. Unless you know what you're doing, fleeing a tornado in a car can be extremely dangerous, especially when the tornadoes are moving at speeds of 50 - 70 mph, as many were doing during the March 2, 2012 outbreak. Most tornado fatalities occur in mobile homes and cars.

Largest 5-day and 2nd largest 2-day tornado outbreak for so early in the year?
The March 2 tornado outbreak spawned 128 tornadoes, according to preliminary reports as of 8 am EST March 7 from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center. An additional 11 tornadoes (preliminary) touched down on March 3, in Florida and Georgia; 3 additional tornadoes touched down on March 1 (Wikipedia does a great job tallying the stats for this tornado outbreak.) These preliminary reports are typically over-counted by 15%, but a few delayed reports will likely come in, bringing the total number of tornadoes from the March 2 - 3 outbreak to 115 - 125, propelling it into second place for the largest two-day tornado outbreak so early in the year. The top five two-day tornado outbreaks for so early in the year, since record keeping began in 1950:

January 21 - 22, 1999: 129 tornadoes, 4 deaths
March 2 - 3, 2012: 139 tornadoes (preliminary), 39 deaths
February 5 - 6, 2008: 87 tornadoes, 57 deaths
February 28 - March 1, 1997: 60 tornadoes, 10 deaths
January 7 - 8, 2008: 56 tornadoes, 4 deaths

Though the 36 tornadoes that occurred during the February 28 - 29 Leap Day outbreak were part of a separate storm system, the five-day tornado total from February 28 - March 3, 2012 is likely to eclipse the late January 18 - 22, 1999 five-day tornado outbreak (131 tornadoes) as the most prolific five-day period of tornado activity on record for so early in the year.


Figure 4. A key ingredient for tornado formation is the presence of warm, moist air near the surface, which helps make the atmosphere unstable. On the day of the March 2, 2012 outbreak, record warm air surged northwards into the tornado formation region, setting or tying daily high temperature records at 28 airports in Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia.

Ingredients for the tornado outbreak
This year's unusually mild winter has led to ocean temperatures across the Gulf of Mexico that are approximately 1°C above average--among the top ten warmest values on record for this time of year, going back to the 1800s. (Averaged over the month of February, the highest sea surface temperatures on record in the Gulf between 20 - 30°N, 85 - 95°W occurred in 2002, when the waters were 1.34°C above average). Friday's tornado outbreak was fueled, in part, by high instability created by unusually warm, moist air flowing north from the Gulf of Mexico due to the high water temperatures there. This exceptionally warm air set record high temperatures at 28 airports in Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia the afternoon of the tornado outbreak (March 2.) Cold, dry air from Canada moved over the outbreak region at high altitudes. This created a highly unstable atmosphere--warm, low-density air rising in thunderstorm updrafts was able to accelerate rapidly upwards to the top of the lower atmosphere, since the surrounding air was cooler and denser at high altitudes. These vigorous updrafts needed some twisting motion to get them spinning and create tornadoes. Very strong twisting forces were present Friday over the tornado outbreak area, thanks to upper-level jet stream winds that blew in excess of 115 mph. These winds changed speed and direction sharply with height,imparting a shearing motion on the atmosphere (wind shear), causing the air to spin. High instability and a high wind shear are the two key ingredients for tornado formation.


Figure 5. The other key ingredient for tornado formation is the presence of very strong winds aloft that change speed and direction sharply with height. This change of wind imparts a shearing motion on the atmosphere (wind shear), causing the air to spin. Here, we see the upper-level wind speeds at the peak of the March 2, 2012 tornado outbreak. The jet stream can be seen as the U-shaped belt of strong winds. Jet stream winds in excess of 100 mph (deep blue colors) were present over the tornado outbreak area in this analysis of data from the NOAA North American Model (NAM) from 7 pm EST March 2, 2012. Image credit: NOAA Environmental Visualization Laboratory.

Another bad year for tornadoes in the U.S.--what's going on?
Last year's tornado season was incredibly severe, and we are off to one of the worst early-season starts to tornado season on record now in 2012. However, it is too soon to ring the alarm bells on climate change being responsible for this. The tornado data base going back to 1950 doesn't show an increasing trend in strong tornadoes in recent decades. While climate change could potentially lead to an increase in tornadoes, by increasing instability, it could also decrease them, by decreasing wind shear. I'd need to see a lot more bad tornado years before blaming climate change for the severe tornado seasons of the past two years. One thing that climate change may be doing, though, is shifting the season earlier in the year. The 5-day total of tornadoes from February 28 - March 3 will probably break the record of 131 set in 1999 for the largest tornado outbreak so early in the year. Warmer winters, and an earlier arrival of spring due to a warming climate, will allow tornado season to start earlier--and end earlier. This year's early start to tornado season is consistent with what we would expect from a warming climate. I have a more extensive article on this subject that has just been published by Weatherwise magazine, and a 2008 post, Are tornadoes getting stronger and more frequent? Dr. Jonathan Martin of the University of Wisconsin-Madison is doing interesting research on the type of situation we saw with some of the recent severe tornado outbreaks, when two branches of the jet stream, the polar jet and the subtropical jet, merge to form a "superjet." In a December 2011 interview with sciencedaily.com, he said: "There is reason to believe that in a warmer climate, this kind of overlapping of the jet streams that can lead to high-impact weather may be more frequent."

I don't see any storm systems coming over the next 10 days that could cause a major tornado outbreak, though March weather is too volatile to forecast reliably that far in advance. There is a storm system expected to develop on Thursday in the Plains we will have to watch, but so far, indications are that it will not be capable of generating a major tornado outbreak.

Portlight disaster relief charity responds to the tornado disaster
The Portlight disaster relief charity reports that volunteers from colleges and churches made a strong showing in tornado-devastated Harrisburg, Illinois on Sunday. Team Rubicon and Portlight will push east to Indiana, where volunteer work is still restricted because of gas leaks and continuing SAR (search and rescue) operations.

I'll edit this post with new stats on the tornado outbreak as they become available, and have an entirely new post on Wednesday.

Jeff Masters
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This picture of a small tornado was taken on Friday March 02, 2012 in southern Lincoln County, Tennessee about 7 miles south of Fayetteville. Photographer: Angela Currey-Echols
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3/2/12 Tornado (charles7013)
A tornado in Dodsen Brach TN.
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Rotating wall cloud and a possible funnel yesterday, north of Evansville, IN.
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tornado damage 3/2/12 (clerese3)
3/2/12 tornado damage to a business I pass on my way to and from work. This was a beautiful brick building.
tornado damage 3/2/12
Tornado Damage - TN (GeorgiaPeach)
I uploaded this photo once already and it was rejected for having the wrong date. I explained before, but I will explain again. The tornado came through March 2nd but I had just gotten out of the hospital, so I didn't get out to take pictures of the damage until today. This is five miles from my house in Hamilton County, TN.
Tornado Damage - TN
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201. GeorgiaStormz 10:51 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting DavidHOUTX:


What?


never mind i already saw the henryville torn pic
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202. Minnemike 10:53 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
some folks seem to be missing an ability to move 3 dimensions around in their mind.. it's the same house, and if that 2nd pic encircling the features of the sidewalk do not clue one in, oh well. trees, as well as objects, appear further away when they are farther away... such as when two pics of the same thing are taken from different locations.. ;)
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203. SPLbeater 10:55 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


That's so true! Another thing that's looked at in a survey to determine EF4 from EF5 is whether it was hit by flying debris that could have caused damage beyond what the wind did, for instance an airborne outbuilding or airborne mobile home or like that.


i read a section of tornado rating and how the media AND in-experienced NWS surveyors plays big part in it.

less experienced, the more in awe they will be and will want to rate it higher(like some bloggers here who jump right to EF4-5 on 1 pic lol)
debris is a player no doubt bout that:D
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204. Barefootontherocks 10:56 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I believe that is all about perspective. How close and at what angle. Both images are taken at different distances and different angles. One perspective changes from the other.

Imagine, if you will, someone holding a fish beside them and you take a picture from an angle more towards their side. Now take a picture with the same person holding the fish as far out in front of their body as they can. You move the camera in closer and take your picture more from a frontal angle. You will notice what appears to be a difference in scale and background images will appear to be at a different distance as well. ... Remember what looked like a huge rattle snake being held up by a stick? The snake was nowhere near as large as it looked in the picture. It is all in the perspective that the picture was taken. Angle and distance is key. I am sure there are some photographers on here that can explain this better than I can.


Perspective is why some of us can see animate shapes in clouds and some can't. Right?
:)
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205. JNCali 10:56 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Anyone ever figure the average distance a tornado can stretch or reach from the base of its 'cloud'? Looking at a radar image, is there a way to determine where a funnel would/could touch down?
As I was monitoring the rotating cell with a hook heading my direction it would have been nice to have an idea of how far a possible funnel would reach from the hook.. (if this is way stupid please feel free to ridicule) :)
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206. Barefootontherocks 10:58 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting SPLbeater:


i read a section of tornado rating and how the media AND in-experienced NWS surveyors plays big part in it.

less experienced, the more in awe they will be and will want to rate it higher(like some bloggers here who jump right to EF4-5 on 1 pic lol)
debris is a player no doubt bout that:D


If there is any doubt about EF4 vs. EF5, they'll send an NWS survey expert in.
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207. SPLbeater 11:01 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting JNCali:
Anyone ever figure the average distance a tornado can stretch or reach from the base of its 'cloud'? Looking at a radar image, is there a way to determine where a funnel would/could touch down?
As I was monitoring the rotating cell with a hook heading my direction it would have been nice to have an idea of how far a possible funnel would reach from the hook.. (if this is way stupid please feel free to ridicule) :)


idk the answer to how far one can stretch down...might be how strong the vorticy is thats coming down. :D

i DO know that you are more likely to get a wedge tornado when the LCL(Lifted Condensation Level is low :P
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208. redwagon 11:03 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting wxmojo:
Having discovered an odd strong correlation with Euclidian geometry in some earlier satelite imagery prompted me to look for some more. I must say there is plenty to be found. What would cause the presence of these geometric boundaries? I thought perhaps it was an artifact of compositing smaller images into the complete image, but the last image shows clearly were the curved sew lines are between at least a few of the single images. I thought it was perhaps a one-time image processing problem, but the same geometries persist even 24 hours later. I also saw them in images taken hours before and after these sets. 
Another question is, why would the cold front inflect its curvature on the March 4 0900 image? Is that a normal behavior of a large cold front?


Interesting.
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209. SPLbeater 11:03 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


If there is any doubt about EF4 vs. EF5, they'll send an NWS survey expert in.


Glad to hear it

i now have about...7% more confidence in NWS tornado rating thx to that statement:D
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210. washingtonian115 11:06 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Not that hard to see the resemblance IMO...the second picture is just closer.

Damn and that was a nice house to...
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211. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:10 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
If anyone wants to watch a volcano this on in russia is supposed to be explosive. Saying explosion could push ash into the air 42,000ft plus.

Web Cam:
Link

Info:
Link

Going to have to scroll down a little on the info link.
thanks 27 i got it on the desk now watching could be interesting if i can catch the event
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212. JNCali 11:10 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
next question.. is there any source for tornado paths overlayed with the corresponding radar image?
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213. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:11 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Damn and that was a nice house to...
yep 5 years old no more maybe less
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214. Neapolitan 11:12 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Just goes to show you that when tornadoes get to EF4/EF5 strength, no where above ground is safe...



They might need to do a reassessment...
To be honest, this may be partially an illusion of angle. Now, despite what some have suggested, the two images almost certainly the same homesite. But the Google StreetView "before" image shows that the main living quarters--that is, the house proper--sits on a foundation at a lower level than the driveway/walkway. In the second "after" image, the angle is such that the home's foundation--and much of the debris--lies out of sight below and behind the driveway. The house was destroyed, alright. But the damage is easily consistent with an EF-3 or EF-4.
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215. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:16 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Neapolitan:
To be honest, this may be partially an illusion of angle. Now, despite what some have suggested, it almost certainly the same homesite. But the Google StreetView "before" image shows that the main living quarters--that is, the house proper--sits on a foundation at a lower level than the driveway/walkway. In the second "after" image, the angle is such that the home's foundation--and much of the debris--lies out of sight below and behind the driveway. The house was destroyed, alright. But the damage is easily consistent with an EF-3.

It's already been rated an ~170 mph EF4...I think it's obviously higher, maybe EF5 strength, which would coincide with the images of soil/asphalt being ripped out of the ground in Henryville.
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216. SPLbeater 11:17 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
[Censored] and that was a nice house to...
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217. Barefootontherocks 11:18 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting JNCali:
Anyone ever figure the average distance a tornado can stretch or reach from the base of its 'cloud'? Looking at a radar image, is there a way to determine where a funnel would/could touch down?
As I was monitoring the rotating cell with a hook heading my direction it would have been nice to have an idea of how far a possible funnel would reach from the hook.. (if this is way stupid please feel free to ridicule) :)

"Textbook" supercell


Radar image of a violent tornadic supercell

There's a lot of basic but good info at SPC Tornado FAQ page where these two images came from. 'Course that's speaking to supercell tornadoes.

I read what you wrote earlier about the bat (lol Freudian typo) tub and mattress during a EF4 or 5. You're right. It would be much more comforting to be underground.
:)
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218. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:18 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
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219. BobinTampa 11:19 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
local news stations have dozens and dozens of photos of damage in Henryville. That photo does not appear anywhere that I can find. Look at the shape of the right side of the driveway.

There's photos of total shacks that were not totally destroyed. But a home built up to current codes is completely wiped away? Defies common sense.
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220. opsman27N82W 11:20 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting presslord:



AAARRRGGGHHH!!! It's my ex-wife!!!!!!!!!


Wowiie! I can concur!

Thanks for the pass along to Flood.
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221. JNCali 11:24 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:

"Textbook" supercell


Radar image of a violent tornadic supercell

There's a lot of basic but good info at SPC Tornado FAQ page where these two images came from. 'Course that's speaking to supercell tornadoes.

I read what you wrote earlier about the bat (lol Freudian typo) tub and mattress during a EF4 or 5. You're right. It would be much more comforting to be underground.
:)

Much thanks BFOTR!
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222. MAweatherboy1 11:28 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Not sure if I agree with JTWC's intensity of 50 knots for Irina... She's not looking too good.
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223. SPLbeater 11:34 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It's already been rated an ~170 mph EF4...I think it's obviously higher, maybe EF5 strength, which would coincide with the images of soil/asphalt being ripped out of the ground in Henryville.


i cant believe the words is bein typed, but i agree with neapolitan in that statement:)

wat that photo shows is this

And this picture is EF4 example(thx to wikipedia). nothing but basement(foundation) left, with scattered debris around it. low end EF4, which is what 170mph is, is a good rating IMO.
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224. SPLbeater 11:43 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Not sure if I agree with JTWC's intensity of 50 knots for Irina... She's not looking too good.


i wouldnt agree either with satellite..but

50 knots displayed in ASCAT lol.
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225. Barefootontherocks 11:44 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting SPLbeater:


Glad to hear it

i now have about...7% more confidence in NWS tornado rating thx to that statement:D


You might want to check out Jim LaDue's blog. If you look to the right on his page, you'll notice a link to Jeff Masters' wunderblog.

Jim LaDue is one of the experts. He works for NWS in the training branch. Also chases storms and photographs them. Here's one of his blogs from last November when he chased a supercell. Includes pre and post analysis of the storm.
:)
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226. Jedkins01 11:51 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting ncstorm:


Completely? okay...hey I know what I see and yes it can be explained to cloud formations according to "science" but I dont see it that way but hey to each his own. I am not knocking anyone's perception on how they view events. The tornados were evil because they took lives. Lets agree to leave it that.



Granted, there are things that cannot be explained by science, I am one to know, but tornadoes aren't evil beings, that is one thing science does know.


Its part of human nature to put images in things we want to have them in, tornadoes have evil faces, and fair weather clouds have smiley faces, that is why.

When I was young, there were demons crouching in dark corners, but now i know, that just because an area is dark doesn't mean a demon is crouching in it...
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227. Jedkins01 11:54 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


It's all in your head. The human brain is exceptionally good at pattern recognition, and influencing what it perceives in random noise is very easy to do. Even in sources guaranteed to be purely random your brain will see patterns, whether they're visual or auditory. Where do you think movies like "White Noise" come from?

Probably one of the most obvious cases of the human brain implying some sort of order to nonsense are the Rorschach images used in the Rorschach test. The images themselves have no meaning at all, but what people see in them can be quite revealing. One person may see a butterfly while another person may see the face of a demon. It's very subjective and can give an indication of the mental state of person taking the test.

In short, you're seeing faces because you want to see faces. Just like when you see a bunny in the clouds, or you see Jesus in a cheese sandwich, or see Elvis on your shower curtain. It's because you want see it there.



Maybe God has a funny sense of humor and put what appears to be the image of Jesus in a cheese sandwich to watch superstitious people go nuts...

:)
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228. Patrap 11:56 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
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229. Neapolitan 11:56 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It's already been rated an ~170 mph EF4...I think it's obviously higher, maybe EF5 strength, which would coincide with the images of soil/asphalt being ripped out of the ground in Henryville.
I hadn't seen the asphalt/soil photos. At any rate, click here for the StreetView image of the home in question. "Drive" to the southwest along henryville-Otisco Road, then look back at the home; you'll see that its foundation is considerably lower than that of the garage and front flatwork, and that there's lots of room for debris to be hiding.
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230. Patrap 11:57 PM GMT op 05 maart 2012    
United States Tornadoes of 2011*
Updated: February 4, 2012
*2011 data subject to revision.


Comparisons are made for the period 1950-2011.
This is the official NOAA/NWS period of record
for tornado events in the United States. Annual and single tornado fatality
records (for the purposes of comparison with 2011) are extended back to the
greatest known fatality outbreak in U.S. history, the Tri-State Tornado Outbreak
of March 1925. Notable records established in 2011 are highlighted in bold font.
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231. tampahurricane 12:00 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Does anyone see a patter change for Florida, its been so dry around the tampabay area. I also just bought a Davis Instruments Vantage Pro 2. Which will be installed tomorrow, so it needs to get some weather tests :)
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232. nigel20 12:06 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Good night everyone
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233. nigel20 12:08 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Tropical Pacific SSTs
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234. StormGoddess 12:09 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting DocNDswamp:

Thank you DocNDswamp you are very kind. :)
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235. RTSplayer 12:10 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


It's all in your head. The human brain is exceptionally good at pattern recognition, and influencing what it perceives in random noise is very easy to do. Even in sources guaranteed to be purely random your brain will see patterns, whether they're visual or auditory. Where do you think movies like "White Noise" come from?

Probably one of the most obvious cases of the human brain implying some sort of order to nonsense are the Rorschach images used in the Rorschach test. The images themselves have no meaning at all, but what people see in them can be quite revealing. One person may see a butterfly while another person may see the face of a demon. It's very subjective and can give an indication of the mental state of person taking the test.

In short, you're seeing faces because you want to see faces. Just like when you see a bunny in the clouds, or you see Jesus in a cheese sandwich, or see Elvis on your shower curtain. It's because you want see it there.


===

Ink blots are not random, and they are often symmetrical, which increases the likelihood of seeing something like bats, faces, or angels in them.

Additionally, there may even be "controls" inserted in the tests which actually are intended to be "something".

The blot posted above a while ago looks like a robe with angel wings and smoke, but with no head. But that is by design.

We used to do water color in art class, and while "random" streams could generally produce vague representations of things like women or fish, etc, which were common themes, they usually required a LOT of deliberate work to produce to an artistic quality.

The ink blot above is clearly not random, and is a perfectly symmetrical device constructed to trick some poor soul into saying something self-condemnatory or self-convicting on the pretense of science.


"Random" images would be asymmetric more often than not, and would even have discontinuities.

These images are neither, therefore the tests are rigged.
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236. nigel20 12:10 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Global SST anomolies

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237. Jedkins01 12:15 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
A lot of people criticize the Weather Channel here, and I myself am upset with some of the directions they've taken recent times thanks to the ownership of NBC. However, Dr. Greg Forbes is still an amazing meteorologist, and my favorite person to tune in to for severe weather info.
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238. Barefootontherocks 12:17 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting JNCali:

Much thanks BFOTR!


You're welcome.

I know this is not what you asked for in your next question. It is a searchable archive of storm events from the perspective of archived atmospheric conditions, outlooks, watches and mesoscale discussions issued by SPC, warnings issued, and storm reports. Would give you a different kind of "retrospective." Also, the NWS local forecast offices publish the results of their tornado surveys on their websites, and, for unusual and historic events, many do an extensive write-up that may include radar images or loops. Some offices publish tornado track maps in their event reports that can be opened and viewed in GE, and maybe soon will have photos that correspond with places on the track. Again, a different kind of retrospective look, and it may take a while before they are published. (Add: Sometimes several weeks after the event.)

Someone else might be better able to help you with radar. WU has archives where you can view a 24-hour loop, but not sure how close you can zoom in. I think Plymouth State has some archives... help JN out here, guys, please... but, again, I don't know how close you'd be able to look at the storm path. By clicking "KML" button, you can view NOAA radar on GE, but I don't know if saving a file will save the radar appropriately. I should know that, but I don't. LOL
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239. RTSplayer 12:25 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
wow.

Looks like a "heat wave" next week for most of the U.S. AND southern Canada...
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240. JNCali 12:27 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


You're welcome.

I know this is not what you asked for in your next question. It is a searchable archive of storm events from the perspective of archived atmospheric conditions, outlooks, watches and mesoscale discussions issued by SPC, warnings issued, and storm reports. Would give you a different kind of "retrospective." Also, the NWS local forecast offices publish the results of their tornado surveys...

Much thanks again.. this should give me a good place to start and hopefully I'll come across existing archives of what I'm looking for..
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241. nigel20 12:31 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
If the area between 10S and 30S in the tropical pacific cools, then it would be hard for the warm equatorical waters next to south america to move west and create an el nino. IMO
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242. SPLbeater 12:40 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    

And my first try at posting an animation is...SUCCESS!!! :D:D:D:D
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243. Patrap 12:42 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
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244. OrchidGrower 12:44 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Re: #184 -- I don't know why I remember this, but the Jarrell (Texas) tornado was originally labeled as an F4, then quickly raised to F5 when it was found to have scrubbed asphalt off the ground.
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245. SPLbeater 12:46 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Tropical Cyclone Irina 000000 UTC Mar 6th 2012

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.5 / 997.4mb/ 35.0kt

Raw T# 2.3
Adj T# 2.3
Final T# 2.3

Scene Type: SHEAR

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246. Tropicsweatherpr 12:47 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting nigel20:
If the area between 10S and 30S in the tropical pacific cools, then it would be hard for the warm equatorical waters next to south america to move west and create an el nino. IMO


And also,the cooler waters that are located West of the U.S/Mexico that means a negative PDO,would stop the warm waters to advance westward.
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247. muddertracker 12:49 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting OrchidGrower:
Re: #184 -- I don't know why I remember this, but the Jarrell (Texas) tornado was originally labeled as an F4, then quickly raised to F5 when it was found to have scrubbed asphalt off the ground.


That would be correct. It was also moving at an estimted 3 mph. Another curiosity: It was moving southwest..very very rare...lots of discussion about gravity waves and this tornado. TAMU had very good information out on the 1997 event, if you are interested.
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248. Barefootontherocks 12:51 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
@RTS player,
The blot posted above a while ago looks like a robe with angel wings and smoke, but with no head. But that is by design.

Looked to me like two Cardinals (bird kind) sitting atop snow-covered branches. lol Very little in life that is not subjective - including tornado ratings. After all, we are human.
:)

'Nite, bloggers. Have fun.
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249. Jedkins01 12:51 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting tampahurricane:
Does anyone see a patter change for Florida, its been so dry around the tampabay area. I also just bought a Davis Instruments Vantage Pro 2. Which will be installed tomorrow, so it needs to get some weather tests :)


Well, it does look like La Nina is coming to an end, and generally speaking La Nina means less severe weather and drought in Florida. That being said, it does take a while for something as large scale as that to translate to a change in weather locally, but eventually Florida should see less of the drought and boring weather that has dominated us, and hopefully more rain and thunderstorm action.

BTW I live in the Tampa Bay areas as well, I feel your pain! I know its the dry season, but year to date rain is only 3.12 here, and 2 inches of that came within a few days a while ago, quite below average.
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250. muddertracker 12:53 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Link

Rare Jarrell, TX footage. Not all that pleasant.
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251. DavidHOUTX 12:54 AM GMT op 06 maart 2012    
Quoting OrchidGrower:
Re: #184 -- I don't know why I remember this, but the Jarrell (Texas) tornado was originally labeled as an F4, then quickly raised to F5 when it was found to have scrubbed asphalt off the ground.


You have a good point. There is no doubt that the Jarrell, TX tornado was an F5. I still believe that the Henryville tornado was an EF5. When you seen a house completely removed from its foundation, that is an EF5. I know the framework and strength of the house and the reinforcements of the house matter but as some of the pictures above show, that had to be an EF5. When all you see is the basement or foundation left (no plumbing, no bathtub, nothing) that was an EF5. Especially when the asphalt is sucked up in the tornado. That is impressive and has to be the strongest tornado we can rate on the Fujita Scale
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