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My worst global warming fear: buckeyes in Ann Arbor
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:53 PM GMT op 10 februari 2012 +42
Last week, I blogged about how wintertime minimum temperatures in the U.S. have risen so much in recent decades, that the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) had to update their Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners for the first time since 1990. The Plant Hardiness Zone Map is the standard by which gardeners and growers can determine which plants are most likely to thrive at a location. I got to looking at the new zone map for Ann Arbor, Michigan, where I live, and saw how we've shifted one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer. Ann Arbor used to be in Zone 5, but is now solidly in the warmer Zone 6. This got me to wondering, what sort of plants in Zone 6, until now rare or unknown in Ann Arbor, might migrate northwards in coming decades into the city? Then, with a sudden chill, I contemplated a truly awful possibility: The Ohio Buckeye Tree.


Figure 1. Comparison of the 1990 and 2012 USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Maps. Image credit: USDA and Arbor Day Foundation.

Buckeyes in Ann Arbor? The Horror!
For those of you unfamiliar the the buckeye tree, it is the emblem of Ohio State University. The Buckeyes of Ohio State have one of the most fierce rivalries in sports with that "school up north", the University of Michigan. As someone who spent twelve years of my life as a student at the University of Michigan, the thought of Buckeye trees in Ann Arbor is not one I care to contemplate. But the USDA Forest Service has published a Climate Change Tree Atlas which predicts that the most favorable habitat for the Ohio Buckeye Tree can be expected to move northwards with a warming climate. While they give their model for the Buckeye Tree a rating of "low reliability", it is nonetheless chilling to contemplate the potential infestation of Ann Arbor with this loathsome invader. I can only sadly predict that to stem the invasion, non-ecologically-minded University of Michigan students will unleash genetically engineered wolverines that eat buckeye seeds.


Figure 2. Potential changes in the mean center of distribution of the Ohio Buckeye tree. The green oval shows the current center of the range of the Buckeye Tree, well to the south of Ann Arbor. In a scenario where humans emit relatively low amounts of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide (light blue oval), the most favorable climate for the Buckeye Tree edges into Southern Michigan, and marches into Ann Arbor under the medium and high scenarios for emissions (other ovals.) Image credit: USDA Forest Service Climate Change Tree Atlas.

Libyan snowstorm triggered major Saharan dust storm
On February 6, a rare snow storm hit North Africa, bringing 2 - 3 inches of snow to Tripoli, Libya. It was the first snow in Tripoli since at least 2005, and may be the heaviest snow the Libyan capital has seen since February 6, 1956. The storm responsible for the North African snow also had strong winds that kicked up a tremendous amount of dust over Algeria during the week. This dust became suspended in a flow of air moving to the southwest, and is now over the Atlantic Ocean.


Figure 3. Dust storm on February 7, 2012, off the coast of West Africa, spawned by a storm that brought snow to North Africa on February 6. Note the beautiful vorticies shed by the Cape Verde Islands, showing that the air is flowing northeast to southwest. The red squares mark where fires are burning in West Africa. Image credit: NASA.

Have a great weekend, everyone, and I'll be back Monday with a new post.

Jeff Masters
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351. Xyrus2000 9:38 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:
...much nonsense clipped...


You can't fight a war against an ideal. You will lose, no matter how many bombs you throw at it.

Indiscriminate bombing of helpless nations is not only ridiculously inhumane, utterly pointless as well. By your logic, we should never negotiate in hostage situations, just kill them all as it will teach future hostage takers a lesson. I can guarantee that the vast majority of people want to have nothing to do with terrorists, nor particularly enjoy being carpet bombed as a penalty for the crimes of a few rich and powerful psychopathic jackasses.

Fortunately, most world leaders are beyond the tyrannical stage of "Do what I want or I'll bomb you to hell!". That may work in your RTS games, but it is a sick and twisted philosophy in the real world. For fig's sake, they're human beings too.
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352. WxGeekVA 9:40 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:



Even if money failed, the U.S. military is so powerful it could easily defeat most of those nations...combined... in a "total war" situation, without the use of WMD.

In fact, if you knew the world economy was going to collapse in a short time, then making your military as big as possible would be the smart thing to do; that way you can bust everyone else anyway.


If the U.S. took the gloves off, we could flatten small fries like Syria in one or two days. There'd be nothing left but craters from one border to the other, and you do't need WMD to do that: One or two carriers and a few destroyers is all you need.

What gets most of our troops killed or injured in places like Iraq and Afghanistan is PC BS, which causes us to fight stupid urban warfare, instead of just sitting back and smothering people with superior conventional military.

What costs the U.S. so much MONEY in warfare is again PC BS, because we spend a million dollars EACH to make the guidance system for a smart bomb so we can kill the dictator in his office, while sparing the life of his secretary in the next room over; AS IF they are somehow innocent of all the evils they help perpetuate.

In many cases it would be cheaper, more cost effective, and even morally superior to just carpet bomb the entire complex.


Pulling punches and fundamentally IGNORING the root problems in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Saudi Arabia), due to political correctness and multi-culturalism, is main reason the U.S. was there and is there so long, getting thousands of people killed and wounded needlessly.

There is NO SENSE in getting thousands of infantrymen killed and ten thousands wounded given our modern air power and artillery.

What happened to the "Either you're with us or against us," policy?

Hey, you know what, back up and bomb the hell out of the town until everyone surrenders, unconditionally, and turns over the terrorists.

That's how you protect your own soldiers, citizens, and economy.

The way the mess should have been handled after 9/11 would be to make it the U.S. policy to indescriminantly bomb ANY nation found to be supporting any form of international terrorism against us, and after the first bombing, if they do it again, bomb them ten times harder the next time.

Eventually any "good" people will decide it probably makes sense to start turning over the terrorists.

We should also cut funding to Pakistan immediately, and even put sanctions on them, because it's obvious that they not only knew Bin Laden was there, but they were probably even funneling money to him.


But what's going to happen is the same old PC BS, where we'll actually be paying our enemies to fight us and our allies.


You can't go around bombing everyone because you can. How would you feel if you were a weaker nation and you kept getting your sovereignty violated because another country didn't like what you were doing inside your borders. It wouldn't be a good feeling at all.

And besides, I can tell you that the Founding Fathers probably didn't envision the United States being an international bully on the scale of the British Empire of the 17-1800s. If China dropped bombs on us for offering asylum to a dissident who didn't agree with us, how would the government react? What could possibly be a good outcome of that situation?

And besides, China is the second most powerful military in the world right now, so saying that if we got into a confrontation with them, they would be a pushover makes no sense. It would be a stalemate and if any side began to get an advantage over another I can tell you that the Communist leaders aover there would not hesitate to use the Bomb on us, because they know that we wouldn't do it first.....

Diplomacy is more complicated than who has the biggest and most bombs and who can use them the best, it's about trying to find peaceful solutions to the problem.

Unfortunately, peaceful solutions to some of our problems with hostile nations are beginning to run out....
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353. RTSplayer 9:42 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
What if Al-Qaeda was the most powerful organization in the world?

What if they ruled entire nation-states, how would you fight them under Geneva Convention?

they use dirty tactics and break every concept of morality and honor, except their own, and they even break that too when it suits their immediate needs. The Koran gives them that command to do so.

Of course, you realize, if Shariah Law-abiding Islam actually was the biggest organization in the world, you and I would be summarily executed, along with just about everyone in the U.S., India, China, the southern half of Africa, and Europe.


The way we do warfare and counter-terrorism in modern times is about as foolish as the redcoats lining up by batallion and company during the revolutionary war.

You don't beat these people by having squads of soldiers patrolling the streets. All that does is give them a target.

We declare a campaign as a "victory" and pretty much didn't even do anything. Probably as many as half the people in office in Iraq are the same people as under Saddam...
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354. yqt1001 9:44 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
A war with China in 2000: US would've won.

A war with China today: US could invade China, but face the same fate of the Germans in the USSR in the 1940s. It would be a long bloody war of attrition that would end in a stalemate. China can't launch an invasion on US soil, and the US wouldn't last a few years on Chinese soil. China has way more manpower at their disposal, and I am 100% sure they would launch live people out of cannons if they had to.
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355. ILwthrfan 9:45 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
CMC at 168 hours.. I mean 144 hours..


Trending farther north with that system I see...
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356. spathy 9:48 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
I tend to agree.
If War actually meant War,we might not be so eager to enter into one.
And those that oppose us might think twice.
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357. WxGeekVA 9:52 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:
A war with China in 2000: US would've won.

A war with China today: US could invade China, but face the same fate of the Germans in the USSR in the 1940s. It would be a long bloody war of attrition that would end in a stalemate. China can't launch an invasion on US soil, and the US wouldn't last a few years on Chinese soil. China has way more manpower at their disposal, and I am 100% sure they would launch live people out of cannons if they had to.


Exactly. China's army is 300 MILLION soldiers strong. If the U.S. instituted a draft of everyone and got the armies of every ally we might be able to get 150 mil. We do have the technological edge and the geographical edge, so those would be a plus.

Army size: China
Technology: U.S.
Geography: U.S.
Will to fight: China
Government: Tie

Sounds very similar to your example of the Nazi invasion of the U.S.S.R. It would be a Stalingrad of epic proportions, and turn into a war of attrition quickly. And guess who has more people and manufacturing and is on the home field? China.

They would send soldiers in like Stalin did: One man with a rifle, one man with a clip of ammo. One dies and the other gets the other part, ammo or weapon.

Although it would probably cause a massive increase in U.S. jobs and manufacturing, solving both of those problems in a week....
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358. hydrus 9:53 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting ILwthrfan:


Trending farther north with that system I see...
There will be a low in the gulf to help pull moisture into the mid-week system.
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359. SoAl 9:54 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
As an avid Canadian gardener I have been noticing changes over the years to warmer conditions and the plants we can grow.
Keep in mind our hardiness zone maps are slightly different however in Canada my city was firmly in our zone 3 but I have been growing zone 4 plants for several years.
It may not help you to know that the City of Calgary has been planting Ohio Buckeye trees for a few decades now. Sports rivalries aside I appreciate them for their spring flowers, luxurious leaves and beautiful orange fall colour.
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360. hydrus 9:56 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Exactly. China's army is 300 MILLION soldiers strong. If the U.S. instituted a draft of everyone and got the armies of every ally we might be able to get 150 mil. We do have the technological edge and the geographical edge, so those would be a plus.

Army size: China
Technology: U.S.
Geography: U.S.
Will to fight: China
Government: Tie

Sounds very similar to your example of the Nazi invasion of the U.S.S.R. It would be a Stalingrad of epic proportions, and turn into a war of attrition quickly. And guess who has more people and manufacturing and is on the home field? China.

They would send soldiers in like Stalin did: One man with a rifle, one man with a clip of ammo. One dies and the other gets the other part, ammo or weapon.

Although it would probably cause a massive increase in U.S. jobs and manufacturing, solving both of those problems in a week....
The very thought of going to war with China is horrific..The Russians are pretty tight with China, and could be a factor if such a war were to happen.
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361. WxGeekVA 9:57 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
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362. WxGeekVA 9:58 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
The very thought of going to war with China is horrific..The Russians are pretty tight with China, and could be a factor if such a war were to happen.


The Russians have their own problems to deal with, and actually Russia is still not friendly with China, and hasn't been since the Cold War. They would probably stay out of it until a winner was emerging.
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363. RTSplayer 10:07 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:
A war with China in 2000: US would've won.

A war with China today: US could invade China, but face the same fate of the Germans in the USSR in the 1940s. It would be a long bloody war of attrition that would end in a stalemate. China can't launch an invasion on US soil, and the US wouldn't last a few years on Chinese soil. China has way more manpower at their disposal, and I am 100% sure they would launch live people out of cannons if they had to.



Do you understand how utterly useless a "manpower" advantage is in modern warfare?

Seriously?

When one ship can level an entire city in a few hours, you think a 5 to 1 manpower advantage matters?


You dont "invade" the other country at all. That's dumb as hell. It offers you nothing to gain, and offers them targets to kill.

Ground units are not needed to win a war. In fact, they're a liability, since all you're doing is offering your enemy soft targets.

Once you destroy the enemy Navy and Airforce(or at least establish air dominance near the coast,) the war is over. You bomb every coastal city and SIT on their ports, and destroy anything that moves....and sit there as long as necessary.

A ground invasion isn't needed, because we have missiles, drones and lasers, and now rail guns. I'm positive the Chinese don't have those yet. We don't need ground recon due to drones and satellites, which can tell the make and model of your car, etc.

We have nuclear power for aircraft carriers, submarines, and most of our other large ships, so fuel is not a problem or concern. We can hold a siege or blockade for TEN YEARS without even refueling some of these vessels.
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364. yqt1001 10:09 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Exactly. China's army is 300 MILLION soldiers strong. If the U.S. instituted a draft of everyone and got the armies of every ally we might be able to get 150 mil. We do have the technological edge and the geographical edge, so those would be a plus.

Army size: China
Technology: U.S.
Geography: U.S.
Will to fight: China
Government: Tie

Sounds very similar to your example of the Nazi invasion of the U.S.S.R. It would be a Stalingrad of epic proportions, and turn into a war of attrition quickly. And guess who has more people and manufacturing and is on the home field? China.

They would send soldiers in like Stalin did: One man with a rifle, one man with a clip of ammo. One dies and the other gets the other part, ammo or weapon.

Although it would probably cause a massive increase in U.S. jobs and manufacturing, solving both of those problems in a week....


I believe that China has the geographical advantage in this case.

China could easily retreat a few kilometers per day until pretty much Chengdu/Kunming and still have a large enough output of people and materials to stop the invasion. They have mountains past that point, and could probably use the mountains to a huge advantage. China is also shaped like the USSR in the sense that its long and more than capable of halting an invasion. The US has the advantage that its on the other side of the world, but only until China develops a significant navy.

With the comparison to Germany and USSR in the 40s, the US doesn't use the blitzkreig tactic that the Germans did, so the invasion would likely go much slower and may even fail to reach Beijing before millions of men are forced into trenches to fight a deadly war of attrition.
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365. yqt1001 10:12 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:



Do you understand how utterly useless a "manpower" advantage is in modern warfare?

Seriously?

When one ship can level an entire city in a few hours, you think a 5 to 1 manpower advantage matters?


You dont "invade" the other country at all. That's dumb as hell. It offers you nothing to gain, and offers them targets to kill.

Ground units are not needed to win a war. In fact, they're a liability, since all you're doing is offering your enemy soft targets.

Once you destroy the enemy Navy and Airforce(or at least establish air dominance near the coast,) the war is over. You bomb every coastal city and SIT on their ports, and destroy anything that moves....and sit there as long as necessary.

A ground invasion isn't needed, because we have missiles, drones and lasers, and now rail guns. I'm positive the Chinese don't have those yet. We don't need ground recon due to drones and satellites, which can tell the make and model of your car, etc.

We have nuclear power for aircraft carriers, submarines, and most of our other large ships, so fuel is not a problem or concern. We can hold a siege or blockade for TEN YEARS without even refueling some of these vessels.


So then why does infantry exist today then if it is "useless in modern warfare"?
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366. SPLbeater 10:21 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
why the frick is everybody talking aout a war with china, geez relax everyone. this aint CNN xD
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367. WxGeekVA 10:28 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
What would probably end up happening is the U.S. just bombs the mess out of the Chinese Navy (which has 1 aircraft carrier to the U.S.s 12), then proceed to take out the air force using carriers as bases. They would then launch ground forces and push in 50 miles or so, taking out the coast (and the largest population, manufacturing, and exporting area of China) then dig in and let China try to storm our trenches and wipe them out when they counterattack.

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Just made this map in 5 minutes....
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368. SPLbeater 10:30 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
And, as all hope seems lost, SPLbeater types random weather comments to put the blog back on track-

Its windy and cold outside
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369. SPLbeater 10:31 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
its going to be even colder tomorrow, might have to build a fire

GFS took all precipitation out of my forecast in the 180hr forecast
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370. RTSplayer 10:31 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:


So then why does infantry exist today then if it is "useless in modern warfare"?


Ask our braindead commanders.


Really, it's because of Geneva Convention.

Since we handcuff ourselves, we need men to go search house to house for terrorists and other war criminals in order to "arrest" them and bring them to trial, which is not only ridiculous, but insane, since this gives up all of the technological advantages gained by the navy and air power.


In short, our military strategists are both out-dated and handcuffed by international law which is not up-to-date with dealing with situations such as suicide bombing terrorists, and the two-faced nature of Islam.

"We're on your side," they say, but really we know they support the terrorist, we just can't "prove" it...

Then you end up having to give enemy combatants more rights than your own citizens and soldiers, again, due to Geneva convention.


But what I said was correct.
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371. SPLbeater 10:32 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    

JASMINE
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372. ILwthrfan 10:32 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
There will be a low in the gulf to help pull moisture into the mid-week system.


Local NWS here in Lincoln, IL has says the system will be weakening and becoming an open wave as it passes by. Still early at least, they wont know for sure until cyclogenesis forms east of the Rockies, although they said the mid levels of this particular system is quit weak. I'd be tickled pink if we could just get a good 3-6 inch snow event. I've measured 4.5" total from about 4 different 1 inch storms this season here in my locale, typical average for us is 25 inches. ..sigh...
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373. SPLbeater 10:34 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Is this what that guy was talking about, Brazilian low off the coast?

Maybe not
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374. SPLbeater 10:39 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Maybe its working so lets not stop now!

I seen some cumulus clouds today.

DId i mention it was cold outside?
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375. hydrus 10:40 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:
What would probably end up happening is the U.S. just bombs the mess out of the Chinese Navy (which has 1 aircraft carrier to the U.S.s 12), then proceed to take out the air force using carriers as bases. They would then launch ground forces and push in 50 miles or so, taking out the coast (and the largest population, manufacturing, and exporting area of China) then dig in and let China try to storm our trenches and wipe them out when they counterattack.

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Just made this map in 5 minutes....
Your map is great, but China has a very formidable fleet of nuclear subs that at the very least could kill millions.
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376. trHUrrIXC5MMX 10:41 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting SPLbeater:
Is this what that guy was talking about, Brazilian low off the coast?

Maybe not


that's it! you got it
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377. WxGeekVA 10:42 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Your map is great, but China has a very formidable fleet of nuclear subs that at the very least could kill millions.


We have more and better nuclear subs....
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378. hydrus 10:42 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting ILwthrfan:


Local NWS here in Lincoln, IL has says the system will be weakening and becoming an open wave as it passes by. Still early at least, they wont know for sure until cyclogenesis forms east of the Rockies, although they said the mid levels of this particular system is quit weak. I'd be tickled pink if we could just get a good 3-6 inch snow event. I've measured 4.5" total from about 4 different l inch storms this season here in my locale, typical average for us is 25 inches. ..sigh...
I saw the open wave forecast too..If the return flow becomes rich enough, there is a possibility of a larger and more significant system. The models will have a better grasp on this in a couple days.
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379. SPLbeater 10:42 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Your map is great, but China has a very formidable fleet of nuclear subs that at the very least could kill millions.


so is it cold in china too? how has your weather today been? i dont know about you, but its been cold here!
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380. SPLbeater 10:43 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


We have more and better nuclear subs....


ssshhhhhhhhh....

let me tell you how cold its been today xD

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381. islander101010 10:47 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
epidemic in latin america? kind of wierd its summer time that region of the world sunny and dry generally until april may
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382. VAbeachhurricanes 10:47 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
So it just decided to drop 10 degrees in 45 minutes and a thundersnow squall is moving through. It's pretty freaking cool.
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383. WxGeekVA 10:48 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
U.S. vs. China Military Comparison Chart

Military Manpower Available: 145,212,012 U.S. 749,610,775 China
Aircraft Carriers: 11 U.S. 1 China
Submarines: 75 U.S. 63 China
Total Aircraft: 18,234 U.S. 5,176 China
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384. islander101010 10:49 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Your map is great, but China has a very formidable fleet of nuclear subs that at the very least could kill millions.
guaranteed they'd zero in on the boston garden the taiwanese american is ruling the court
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385. WeatherNerdPR 10:52 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:
So it just decided to drop 10 degrees in 45 minutes and a thundersnow squall is moving through. It's pretty freaking cool.

THUNDERSNOW?!
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386. hydrus 10:53 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


We have more and better nuclear subs....
You have superb knowledge on this subject..:)
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387. RTSplayer 10:54 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Numbers advantage?



Hmmm...

How many infantry do you suppose those two shots from the "shotgun" variant would kill?

How many tanks? (the shrapnel will be moving with a muzzle velocity of 10 to 20 times a rifle...)

Max range 220 nautical miles for the 64MJ version.
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388. VAbeachhurricanes 10:55 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

THUNDERSNOW?!


Like a carbon copy of my reaction.
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389. WxGeekVA 10:56 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
You have superb knowledge on this subject..:)


I have a friend who has war simulation software. He inputs the military data for the nations and then runs 1000 sims, slightly changing a few factors each time. U.S. beats china 87% of the time, and 13% of the time in less than a month.
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390. VAbeachhurricanes 10:57 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have a friend who has war simulation software. He inputs the military data for the nations and then runs 1000 sims, slightly changing a few factors each time. U.S. beats china 87% of the time, and 13% of the time in less than a month.


Great movie, have it play tic tac toe.
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391. hydrus 10:59 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting islander101010:
guaranteed they'd zero in on the boston garden the taiwanese american is ruling the court
The Chinese are a ancient civilization that has been around a very long time. They are an intelligent race with many ingenious inventions to there credit. I say that they are not to be underestimated in any way, shape or form..Just my harmless opinion..
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392. Patrap 11:00 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
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393. JNCali 11:01 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting SPLbeater:


i measured a wind gust to 16.3 knots(18.8mph) earlier when i went walking with my dad. pretty windy out there 2day
where you running at the time??
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394. hydrus 11:01 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting SPLbeater:


so is it cold in china too? how has your weather today been? i dont know about you, but its been cold here!
It is 22 degrees here blowin 15 to 30..It is cold and this is the coldest air of the year so far.
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395. RTSplayer 11:03 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
China has about 70 submarines total, and about 10 nuclear.

They have about 70 combat ships, and 1 aircraft carrier.

guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/22/china-submarines -foreign-relations

The U.S. has roughly 600 combat ships and 12 active carriers, I think.

"The U.S. has 43 Los Angeles-class submarines on active duty and 19 retired" - Wikipedia.
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396. Xyrus2000 11:05 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting yqt1001:
A war with China in 2000: US would've won.

A war with China today: US could invade China, but face the same fate of the Germans in the USSR in the 1940s. It would be a long bloody war of attrition that would end in a stalemate. China can't launch an invasion on US soil, and the US wouldn't last a few years on Chinese soil. China has way more manpower at their disposal, and I am 100% sure they would launch live people out of cannons if they had to.


A war against China in 2000: The US collectively kicks itself in the walnuts and sentences nearby allies to death.

A war against China today: The US collectively kicks itself in the walnuts and sentences nearby allies to death.

The chances of the US going to war with China: Less than zero. There is nothing to be gained by doing so and absolutely everything to lose.

Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Especially when a key ally is parked less than a 1000 miles away of said country who has a lot of bad blood leftover from the previous war.
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397. hydrus 11:07 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:
China has about 70 submarines total, and about 10 nuclear.

They have about 70 combat ships, and 1 aircraft carrier.

guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/22/china-submarines -foreign-relations

The U.S. has roughly 600 combat ships and 12 active carriers, I think.

"The U.S. has 43 Los Angeles-class submarines on active duty and 19 retired" - Wikipedia.
We are da bomb..:)..I love our country...
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398. hydrus 11:09 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


A war against China in 2000: The US collectively kicks itself in the walnuts and sentences nearby allies to death.

A war against China today: The US collectively kicks itself in the walnuts and sentences nearby allies to death.

The chances of the US going to war with China: Less than zero. There is nothing to be gained by doing so and absolutely everything to lose.

Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Especially when a key ally is parked less than a 1000 miles away of said country who has a lot of bad blood leftover from the previous war.
It is a good thing countries like Iran and North Korea do not have a defense system as powerful as the Chinese.
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399. VAbeachhurricanes 11:12 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
It is a good thing countries like Iran and North Korea do not have a defense system as powerful as the Chinese.


Even if they did, no way they could hang with us. Best equipment, best soldiers, best logistic capabilities, and best generals/admrials.
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400. SPLbeater 11:12 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
Quoting JNCali:
where you running at the time??


nooooope!
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401. MissNadia 11:14 PM GMT op 11 februari 2012    
This is the coldest weather on the Carolina Coast this year !!!




Special Statement
Statement as of 5:09 PM EST on February 11, 2012


... An Arctic blast will bring strong winds and cold...

The arrival of an Arctic blast this evening will bring strong
northwest winds. Winds this evening will gust up to 40 to 45 mph.
As temperatures tumble... the wind will make it feel as if it were
in the single numbers to around 10 degrees at times late tonight
and Sunday morning. The actual temperature will drop to 20 to 25
degrees overnight.

Not much of a temperature recovery is expected on Sunday. The
Mercury will struggle to reach above 40 degrees and for much of
the day it will feel as if it is below freezing. The incoming air
mass will also be very dry with afternoon relative humidity around
20 percent.

Any loose objects outside should be secured to prevent them from
being damaged. Exposed plumbing will be susceptible to freezing
and preventative measures are suggested to prevent damage.

Rjd
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