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Tropical Storm Rina forms
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:49 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011 +19
Tropical Storm Rina formed in the Western Caribbean Sea just off the coast of Honduras last night, and is headed north-northwest towards Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Rina's formation brings this year's tally of named storms to seventeen, making it the 7th busiest Atlantic hurricane season since record keeping began in 1851. Only 2005, 1933, 1995, 1887, 2010, and 1969 had more named storms. However, 2011 has had an unusually low percentage of its named storms reach hurricane strength. Only 29% of this year's named storms have made it to hurricane strength (five), and normally 55 - 60% of all named storms intensify to hurricane strength in the Atlantic. The rare combination of near-record ocean temperatures but unusually dry, stable air over the Atlantic is no doubt at least partially responsible for this very unusual occurrence.

Visible satellite loops show that Rina has had a respectable burst of thunderstorm activity with high, cold cloud tops this morning. This "Central Dense Overcast" (CDO) is characteristic of intensifying tropical storms that are a threat to reach hurricane strength. Rina has been bringing sporadic heavy rain squalls to the Cayman Islands over the past day; George Town on Grand Cayman Island had received 2.28" of rain and a peak wind gust of 31 mph as of 9 am EDT from the storm. Wind shear is a moderate 15 - 20 knots due to strong upper-level winds out of the southeast, and these winds are injecting dry air into Rina's southeast side, inhibiting heavy thunderstorm development there. Water temperatures are very warm, 29 - 30°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. We don't have any surface wind reports from the vicinity of Rina; the closest buoy is Western Caribbean buoy 42057, about 60 miles east of Rina's center, which had top sustained winds out of the ESE at 29 mph this morning. We'll have to wait for the next hurricane hunter flight, scheduled for 2 pm this afternoon, to get a better idea of Rina's intensity.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Rina.

Forecast for Rina
The intensity forecast for Rina has a high amount of uncertainty. Rina should be able to slowly intensify through Tuesday, becoming a strong tropical storm. On Wednesday, Rina will be approaching a dry airmass with high wind shear that lies over the extreme northwestern Caribbean. Since Rina is a small storm, these hostile conditions could cause the storm to dissipate on Wednesday as it nears landfall over the Yucatan Peninsula, as predicted by the ECMWF and NOGAPS models. The completely opposite scenario is predicted by the GFDL and HWRF models, which forecast Rina will stay just south of the high shear/dry air region, and attain major hurricane status. The official NHC forecast of a Category 1 Hurricane Rina late this week is a reasonable compromise between these extremes. The track forecast for Rina also presents difficulties. A west-northwest to northwest motion towards the Yucatan Peninsula is likely through Wednesday. A trough of low pressure is predicted to pass to the north of Rina late this week, but the models are increasingly suggesting that Rina will not be far enough north to get caught up in the trough, but instead will remain trapped in the Western Caribbean. None of the latest 06Z (2 am EDT) model runs of the GFS, NOGAPS, GFDL, or HWRF models are predicting that Rina's center will make it north of Cuba during the next five days. In any case, heavy rains from Rina should begin affecting Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, northern Belize, and extreme Western Cuba on Wednesday.

97L
A broad region of low pressure about 300 miles west of the southern Lesser Antilles Islands (Invest 97L), is moving west-northwest at 10 mph through the Caribbean Sea. This low has very limited heavy thunderstorm activity, due to dry air, and no signs of a surface circulation. NHC is giving 97L just a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday. 97L is under low wind shear less than 10 knots, and this shear is expected to remain low through Thursday. By the time 97L reaches the region between Jamaica and Nicaragua in the Central Caribbean on Thursday or Friday, the storm should find a moister environment, and could develop into a tropical depression. The NOGAPS model predicts 97L could develop into a tropical depression by Saturday.

Jeff Masters
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151. gopher1 4:12 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Sounds a little like the guys that said Rina would never develop in the first place. The guys that said Rina wouldn't be a T.D. yesterday afternoon. The guys that said Rina would go west into Central America and never develop, etc. etc.

Where are all those guys today?



I have no idea where those guys are...im just saying no wat rina reached major hurricane status.cozumel and the tucatan are in line for whatever rina has in store and rina will die there..south florida is lucky to see any rain from rina at all..they will see some rain from the cold front on friday though..rina will be crushed if it tries to make it into the se gom..IMHO
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152. AussieStorm 4:14 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Sounds a little like the guys that said Rina would never develop in the first place. The guys that said Rina wouldn't be a T.D. yesterday afternoon. The guys that said Rina would go west into Central America and never develop, etc. etc.

Where are all those guys today?

busy cooking a big batch of crow to a crow feast later tonight when Rina become a Hurricane.
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153. cchsweatherman 4:16 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Also to note, wind shear over Rina is hardly existent...the upper anticyclone is stacked over the surface center...


Not seeing an upper level anticyclone over Rina at the moment.
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154. TampaSpin 4:19 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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155. kmanislander 4:20 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting gopher1:



kman you have been hitting the bottle early i see...RINA a hurricane by tonight i really dont think that will happen that soon...when recon goes in i think they will find a slight increase in strength winds of 50mph...IMHO


I didn't say by tonight I said later tonight.

P.S. I only drink after 5 p m on week days.
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156. BenBIogger 4:22 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:


I didn't say by tonight I said later tonight.

P.S. I only drink after 5 p m on week days.


Happy Hour?
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157. AussieStorm 4:22 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Also to note, wind shear over Rina is hardly existent...the upper anticyclone is stacked over the surface center...

No AC over Rina, Nice one over 97L though.


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158. wpb 4:25 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
recon about on hour from the storm
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159. kmanislander 4:26 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting BenBIogger:


Happy Hour?


lol
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160. WatcherCI 4:27 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
If Rina does curve back east into the W Carib. We could see a Fujiwhara with 97l (Sean).
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161. TampaSpin 4:27 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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162. MississippiBoy2 4:27 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
when is the front comeing through ms?
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163. cchsweatherman 4:28 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Latest data set shows upper level winds increasing to around 20 mph approaching the Yucatan. Still not as strong as analyzed by the CIMSS.
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164. TampaSpin 4:28 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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165. BenBIogger 4:31 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
Latest data set shows upper level winds increasing to around 20 mph approaching the Yucatan. Still not as strong as analyzed by the CIMSS.


Recon flying at FL260.
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166. cchsweatherman 4:33 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Now showing upper level winds near 40 mph near the Yucatan. Makes the CIMSS shear analysis more credible now to me.
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167. BenBIogger 4:33 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Got any Mid-Level Shear maps?
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168. hydrus 4:34 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting AussieStorm:

busy cooking a big batch of crow to a crow feast later tonight when Rina become a Hurricane.
Quite a bit going on considering the large amounts of dry air out there..
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169. weatherbro 4:38 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting MississippiBoy2:
when is the front comeing through ms?


Not sure about you guys but the front will plow through Central Florida by Friday afternoon/evening.
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170. AussieStorm 4:39 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting hydrus:
Quite a bit going on considering the large amounts of dry air out there..

Don't forget, she's going to move over some hypo-energized water soon, she could blow up.
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171. TampaSpin 4:41 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting BenBIogger:


Got any Mid-Level Shear maps?


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172. Stormchaser2007 4:41 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Impressive

HUGE IMAGE

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173. weatherbro 4:43 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting WatcherCI:
If Rina does curve back east into the W Carib. We could see a Fujiwhara with 97l (Sean).


I think both will get absorbed into the EC trough. Though I have a feeling 97L might pull a Noel on us.

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174. CaribBoy 4:43 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Why is there no trough to pull 97L NE!
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175. Stormchaser2007 4:44 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Things are really starting to "pop" for Rina

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176. 7544 4:48 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
hmm interesting notice the right turn in the nhc track just over the west tip of cuba if rina decides to spread out at that time . looks like south fl could get some effects imo wait watch and see tc get trickey in that area around cuba and change corse for ex. look what fay did the unexpected they may not dodge this bullet just yet

and then another one with 97l getting interesting
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177. Levi32 4:50 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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178. HurricaneHunterJoe 4:50 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Throw out the GFS, it's totally wrong already on 97L
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179. TampaSpin 4:53 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
BAMS, BAMM, BAMD




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180. TampaSpin 4:56 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Added the NHC track....in White



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181. ProgressivePulse 5:11 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Dry air being a known inhibitor, the area to the SE of the cyclone is starting to dry out on WV. Solid black earlier now turning to browns. Also looks as if a tongue of dry air is working into the core.

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182. Stormchaser2007 5:13 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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183. cchsweatherman 5:15 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Hurricane Hunters are now entering the storm and descending. They should find a much stronger storm given satellite presentation.
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184. hydrus 5:16 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting AussieStorm:

Don't forget, she's going to move over some hypo-energized water soon, she could blow up.
This is true. I do believe that dry air will keep Rina from becoming a real monster though..If that was a moist air mass surrounding this storm, I would be very concerned.
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185. hydrus 5:17 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Dry air being a known inhibitor, the area to the SE of the cyclone is starting to dry out on WV. Solid black earlier now turning to browns. Also looks as if a tongue of dry air is working into the core.

Yes..It does look like a dry slot.
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186. AussieStorm 5:18 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting hydrus:
This is true. I do believe that dry air will keep Rina from becoming a real monster though..If that was a moist air mass surrounding this storm, I would be very concerned.

Yeah, could stop her from becoming a major. maybe not a cat 1 or cat 2 though. Dry air has been a major contributor to most storms being so week this year, I wouldn't be surprised if Rina get sucked dry also.
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187. eddye 5:18 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
welcome to jacksonville rina nice to meet u lol
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188. Stormchaser2007 5:20 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
I really wouldn't be surprised if Rina went to 70mph before the day was through. 

Almost seems like it's building an eye
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189. Skyepony (Mod) 5:24 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Rina had an embed center there for a bit. 998mb.
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190. ProgressivePulse 5:24 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting hydrus:
Yes..It does look like a dry slot.


Interested to see what the storm does with it. It will be a good bellwether to see if Rina can efficiently mix out the dry air. A storm that has relatively good conditions otherwise "Should" be able to over come it.
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191. ProgressivePulse 5:25 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
I really wouldn't be surprised if Rina went to 70mph before the day was through. 

Almost seems like it's building an eye



Was going to comment on that myself. I wouldn't be surprised to see mention of an eye feature in the Recon.
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192. ProgressivePulse 5:29 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
The dry air lightened up the cirrus enough to get a quick obscured view of the center. Looks to be a little right of track.
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193. stormpetrol 5:30 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Around 17.3N/83W same to want to develop an eye look closelyLink
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194. hydrus 5:33 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Interested to see what the storm does with it. It will be a good bellwether to see if Rina can efficiently mix out the dry air. A storm that has relatively good conditions otherwise "Should" be able to over come it.
The storm could move over that eddy of extremely warm water. If that were to happen, Rina may briefly hit cat-3 strength. Cannot see it maintaining that intensity very long unless the surrounding air mass moistens up a bit. It is a small storm.
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195. FLGatorCaneNut 5:33 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Happy Anniversary Wilma..... I know what I was doing 6 years ago today..... Cleaning up your mess..... Now is your little sister Rina coming to look for you ??
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196. ProgressivePulse 5:33 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
In they go

Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...

NW ENTRY POINT
SFC NOT VISIBLE
IN CLOUDS
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197. stormpetrol 5:36 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Rina is growing in size, it is not that small of storm! I expect the HHs to find a 60-65 mph storm with TS winds extending 120-150 miles from the center.
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198. Levi32 5:37 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Rina's core is very tight-looking on visible and could indicate the initial stages of eyewall formation.
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199. reedzone 5:37 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Recon will most likely find a 60-65 mph. storm when they get there..


Beautiful Tropical Storm.
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200. Stormchaser2007 5:38 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
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201. Levi32 5:39 PM GMT op 24 oktober 2011    
Hurricane force SFMR:

000
URNT15 KNHC 241736
AF306 0218A RINA HDOB 20 20111024
172700 1740N 08336W 8433 01563 0090 +176 +122 030034 035 041 003 00
172730 1739N 08334W 8432 01562 0091 +174 +117 030036 037 039 002 00
172800 1737N 08333W 8429 01566 0091 +173 +120 030037 037 040 002 00
172830 1736N 08332W 8429 01564 0092 +166 +125 032036 037 041 007 00
172900 1735N 08331W 8427 01562 0098 +149 +133 027036 036 042 009 00
172930 1734N 08329W 8431 01556 0091 +155 +132 023036 036 042 006 00
173000 1733N 08328W 8432 01551 0093 +148 +134 023038 039 043 010 00
173030 1731N 08327W 8426 01557 0096 +139 +138 020040 041 043 018 00
173100 1730N 08325W 8438 01541 0094 +134 //// 022043 047 050 013 01
173130 1729N 08324W 8430 01545 0089 +136 //// 026048 050 050 013 01
173200 1728N 08323W 8434 01537 0082 +142 //// 034047 048 051 014 01
173230 1726N 08322W 8431 01540 0077 +142 //// 034048 049 050 012 01
173300 1725N 08320W 8427 01535 0074 +139 //// 032048 049 050 012 01
173330 1724N 08319W 8439 01516 0070 +136 //// 033050 051 052 013 01
173400 1723N 08318W 8425 01525 0060 +141 //// 030055 059 053 014 01
173430 1722N 08317W 8443 01502 0058 +139 //// 034057 062 052 015 05
173500 1721N 08315W 8437 01505 0053 +135 //// 044058 059 059 018 01
173530 1719N 08314W 8434 01501 0055 +123 //// 034060 062 054 032 05
173600 1718N 08313W 8426 01502 0045 +125 //// 034061 063 061 029 01
173630 1717N 08312W 8430 01482 //// +132 //// 031063 067 064 029 01
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