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No change to Nate; Maria fizzles; Katia headed to Britain
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:47 PM GMT op 10 september 2011 +19
Tropical Storm Nate in Mexico's Bay of Campeche continues to have trouble intensifying. Latest visible satellite loops show that Nate has a large, cloud-filled center, and the storm is probably pulling in dry air to its north into its center. Nate is also likely having trouble with all the cool waters it has stirred to the surface. Assuming Nate is able to close off its center from the dry air, it would take the storm at least a day to tighten up its rather large center, form a solid eyewall, and reach hurricane intensity. Nate doesn't have enough time before landfall for that to happen, and it is unlikely Nate will ever become a hurricane. The latest wind probability forecast form NHC gives Nate a 13% chance of reaching hurricane strength on Sunday. Latest radar imagery from Alvarado, Mexico shows heavy rains from Nate are affecting the coast near Veracruz, and heavy rains of 4 - 6 inches will be the main threat from Nate.


Figure 1. True-color MODIS image of Tropical Storm Nate taken at 12:45 pm EDT Friday, September 9, 2011. At the time, Nate was a tropical storm with 50 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Nate is a small storm, and is not likely to bring significant rains to Texas; only extreme South Texas near Brownsville could see an inch or so of rain on Sunday from an outer spiral band of Nate. Our latest wundermap wind forecast map from the European Center model, with the fire layer turned on, shows that Nate's wind field on Saturday and Sunday will not be large enough to fan the fires burning in Texas.

Tropical Storm Maria
Tropical Storm Maria doesn't look much like a tropical storm--on the latest satellite imagery it looks like a squashed question mark instead of a spiral. The surface circulation center is very poorly defined, and moderate wind shear of 15 - 20 knots has really done the Lesser Antilles Islands a big favor by ripping up Maria. It is doubtful this storm will generate any sustained winds of tropical storm force in the islands, and it is a 50/50 proposition that Maria will degenerate into a tropical disturbance and become ex-Tropical Storm Maria later today. Martinique radar shows heavy rains from Maria are mostly east of the islands, and the thunderstorms are not well-organized into spiral bands. The wind shear affecting Maria will probably last through Sunday. By Monday, wind shear is predicted to fall enough so that Maria could potentially organize again. However, the storm is expected to be far from land when that occurs. Bermuda could see a few rain showers from Maria on Wednesday, and Maria may be a threat to southeast Newfoundland late next week.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Tropical Storm Maria shows the the storm looks like a squashed question mark?

Hurricane Katia
Hurricane Katia brushed by Newfoundland, Canada this morning, and is now racing east-northeast at 52 mph into the open Atlantic. With water temperatures 19°C (66°F) underneath it, Katia has lost its tropical characteristics, and has transitioned to a powerful extratropical storm. Extratropical Storm Katia will continue east-northeastward towards Europe, and on Monday, the storm will pass very close to northern British Isles. The offshore waters of Northern Ireland and Western Scotland can expect storm-force winds of 50 - 60 mph on Monday as Katia roars past to the north. The storm will bring 2 - 4 inches of rain to the coast, and likely cause significant tree damage and power failures.


Figure 3. Image of Hurricane Katia taken from the International Space Station at 15 GMT September 9, 2011, by astronaut Ron Garan. At the time, Katia was a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds. Long Island, New York is visible at the lower left.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS and UKMET models predict the possible development of a tropical wave 6 - 7 days from now off the coast of Africa.

I'll have an update by early Sunday afternoon.

Jeff Masters
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1301. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:33 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Good Morning All.

My avatar tells the story.

~ 9/11/01 ~ NEVER FORGET
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1302. Orcasystems 3:34 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    






NHC trusted the last Vortex run so much... they only split the difference. HH is inbound for another one.
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1303. BahaHurican 3:35 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
HOWEVER...GIVEN THE CURRENT DISORGANIZED STRUCTURE OF
THE CYCLONE...A MORE WESTWARD TRACK IS POSSIBLE. THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH DURING THE NEXT FIRST COUPLE
OF DAYS AND AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT COULD BE REQUIRED.

That's not "hinting"; that's an outright statement....

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1304. HuracanTaino 3:35 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:


It would be nice if 9/11 could be designated "PUBLIC SERVICE DAY" in honor of everybody whose job it is to protect lives and property. NHC has been right on with their forecasts.
Perhaps those who criticize them do not understand the element of human judgement that is necessary when making safety calls about uncertain and unpredictable events. Or perhaps a myopic vision of their own judgement prevents them from seeing a rationale based on a larger perspective.
Agree but as humans the commit errors too,and bad judments. Nothing wrong to try to correct them and improve their job like anybody else. For example my opinion is that they are accurate most of the time. Like right now they finally admitted that Maria is moving almost do west,,and she is been doing that since last night. Another thing that is strange that even though they insist the islands are not getting tropical storm winds, they are, and with a slow moving storm that can wrap around quick, still no tropical storm warning or watches, or a gale wind advice at least.
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1305. atmoaggie 3:36 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Unfriendly:
ohh computer specs ;)

Built mine from scratch -

P4 Quad-core 2.4 ghz overclocked to 2.7
8800 gTX
750 watt PSU
steelseries siberia headphones (best gaming headphones out there)
24" widescreen w/ 2ms refresh, reso 1920x1080

and my fav: Comcast Ultra 50 - have to ask for it, for me, its ~62 mbps download and 12 mbps upload

**making this weather related**

Maria looks really nice on sat, and even better on my bangin' screen
1 HP master node with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 48 GB ram.
4-10GbE (bonded) connected to 18 spindle 18 TB RAID storage, 15k RPM SAS, 800 MB/s read rate
44 slave servers with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 24 GB ram, each
All servers attached by 40 Gb/s fabric interconnect
180 TB tape library, SCSI attached, for archival

(I could go on, over 700 processors cores in 80 servers in 3 clusters.)

12 hours of battery UPS plus a 8 MW generator. 2 entirely redundant chilled water Lieberts that can each keep up with the heat both connected to 2 entirely redundant cooling towers.

Making this weather related, this equipment is used for weather observation QC, satellite data processing, atmospheric, wave, and storm surge modeling.

;-)
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1306. BahaHurican 3:37 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting capeflorida:
Don't think we will be seeing P451 or Dewey much more today as they just banned Deweys blog and I believe him and P451 individually.
Why????
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1307. will40 3:37 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
HOWEVER...GIVEN THE CURRENT DISORGANIZED STRUCTURE OF
THE CYCLONE...A MORE WESTWARD TRACK IS POSSIBLE. THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH DURING THE NEXT FIRST COUPLE
OF DAYS AND AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT COULD BE REQUIRED.

That's not "hinting"; that's an outright statement....



yes the could be is what i was refering to
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1309. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:40 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Why????


I don't know, but he/she is right...Both blogs have been banned.

:\
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1310. BahaHurican 3:41 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting will40:


yes the could be is what i was refering to
When they start saying could be and is possible, that's like a polite way of saying, "watch out, folks, coming your way...."

After Irene, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop...
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1311. CybrTeddy 3:41 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


I don't know, but he/she is right...Both blogs have been banned.

:\


I think he/she is right as well, all of P451's posts today have vanished.
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1312. will40 3:42 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
When they start saying could be and is possible, that's like a polite way of saying, "watch out, folks, coming your way...."

After Irene, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop...


i do understand your concern Baha i would be also if i was sitting where you are
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1314. Dakster 3:43 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Are these perma-bans or the usual 24hr..?
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1315. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:44 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
I have little doubt that Maria will not turn out to sea like the models are currently hinting. There is a strong Cold Front setting up near the Canada/USA border today, and it will enter the USA tomorrow. This is by far the strongest Cold Front we have seen since Winter/Spring, and it will result in 10-20 degree BELOW average temperatures across the Midwest. As Maria moves towards the WNW/NW, it will begin to interact with the Cold Front, and will be taken out to sea. It won't be a gradual turn like Irene, but a very sharp curve. The only areas I really see this affecting is Bermuda, other than the Caribbean Islands. IMO, Maria will get stronger than the NHC is indicating at this time, perhaps up to 85-90 mph.

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1316. BahaHurican 3:44 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


I think he/she is right as well, all of P451's posts today have vanished.
Hmmm.... I don't think P451's been any worse this a.m. than usual... lol... he's always nitpicking something.

Maybe it was something "behind the scenes".... Oh well...
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1317. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:44 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Dakster:
Are these perma-bans or the usual 24hr..?


Considering their blogs were banned? Most likely a permanent ban.
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1318. atmoaggie 3:46 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Considering their blogs were banned? Most likely a permanent ban.
I *think* that is the same for a 24 hour break.
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1320. ShenValleyFlyFish 3:46 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
1 HP master node with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 48 GB ram.
4-10GbE (bonded) connected to 18 spindle 18 TB RAID storage, 15k RPM SAS, 800 MB/s read rate
44 slave servers with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 24 GB ram, each
All servers attached by 40 Gb/s fabric interconnect
180 TB tape library, SCSI attached, for archival

(I could go on, over 700 processors cores in 80 servers in 3 clusters.)

12 hours of battery UPS plus a 8 MW generator. 2 entirely redundant chilled water Lieberts that can each keep up with the heat both connected to 2 entirely redundant cooling towers.

Making this weather related, this equipment is used for weather observation QC, satellite data processing, atmospheric, wave, and storm surge modeling.

;-)
What a waste. Imagine what one of our gamers could do with that. Actually beat WWC.

Here in the Shenandoah Valley of VA the sun is shining, the grass is growing (been mostly dead) and I am slowly waking up. Looks to be a beautiful day.
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1321. CaicosRetiredSailor 3:47 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
HOWEVER...GIVEN THE CURRENT DISORGANIZED STRUCTURE OF
THE CYCLONE...A MORE WESTWARD TRACK IS POSSIBLE. THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH DURING THE NEXT FIRST COUPLE
OF DAYS AND AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT COULD BE REQUIRED.

That's not "hinting"; that's an outright statement....




The closest point calculation for Provo has dropped from 240 miles to 217, hopefully the swing won't continue.


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1322. CybrTeddy 3:47 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting basti11:
everyting is quiet for the us in the tropics during the peak of this hurricane season...i cant see anything forming for at least 7 days...i think 6 more weaks and we can all breathe easy..


I will have to disagree, and note that 2005 after Ophelia there was a bit of a lull. A lot of models are saying that yet another CV system will attempt to develop, and perhaps a system in the Caribbean too.

Between Maria and our next storm, I give it 5 days max. MJO coming back in our basin.
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1323. Dakster 3:47 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
I don't know if you are on time-out if your blogs are too.. I never checked anyone that I knew was on a 24hr. time out. I guess we will have to wait and see.

-- Back to the weather --

Now, today, Maris is looking like a TS. And a TS on its way to Hurricane Status.
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1324. Tazmanian 3:49 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Considering their blogs were banned? Most likely a permanent ban.



my ban was olny 45hrs lol and i could not get on the hole blog site for that time
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1325. Tazmanian 3:50 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
yup back too the weather
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1326. stormpetrol 3:50 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
It would appear that Maria is moving slightly south of due west at this time, HHs next fix should confirm if this is so or not!
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1328. Unfriendly 3:51 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
1 HP master node with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 48 GB ram.
4-10GbE (bonded) connected to 18 spindle 18 TB RAID storage, 15k RPM SAS, 800 MB/s read rate
44 slave servers with 2 hex core 2.93 Intel chips, 24 GB ram, each
All servers attached by 40 Gb/s fabric interconnect
180 TB tape library, SCSI attached, for archival

(I could go on, over 700 processors cores in 80 servers in 3 clusters.)

12 hours of battery UPS plus a 8 MW generator. 2 entirely redundant chilled water Lieberts that can each keep up with the heat both connected to 2 entirely redundant cooling towers.

Making this weather related, this equipment is used for weather observation QC, satellite data processing, atmospheric, wave, and storm surge modeling.

;-)


but can you play Minesweeper on it? ;)

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1329. Tazmanian 3:51 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
did nate even make and fall?
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1331. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:52 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Models are latching onto the idea that the Cape Verde season isn't over, not quite yet. The CMC, ECMWF, GFS, and NGP all show a strong tropical wave, and perhaps a tropical depression near/over the Cape Verde Islands at 144 hours.

CMC @ 144 hours:



ECMWF @ 144 hours:



GFS @ 144 hours:



NGP @ 144 hours:

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1332. luigi18 3:53 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
HOWEVER...GIVEN THE CURRENT DISORGANIZED STRUCTURE OF
THE CYCLONE...A MORE WESTWARD TRACK IS POSSIBLE. THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH DURING THE NEXT FIRST COUPLE
OF DAYS AND AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT COULD BE REQUIRED.

That's not "hinting"; that's an outright statement....



she is moving w? you mean
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1333. CybrTeddy 3:54 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting basti11:



conditions are not the same this year cold fronts are coming down more frequently...this is not 2005..even if something does develop off the african coast it will be a fight all the way to get across to the united states...i cant see any landfalls on the united states for the rest of this hurricane season with the strong trofs diggind down and taking them out to sea...


Whatever you say doc..
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1334. Tazmanian 3:54 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Models are latching onto the idea that the Cape Verde season isn't over, not quite yet. The CMC, ECMWF, GFS, and NGP all show a strong tropical wave, and perhaps a tropical depression near/over the Cape Verde Islands at 144 hours.

CMC @ 144 hours:



ECMWF @ 144 hours:



GFS @ 144 hours:



NGP @ 144 hours:




i wounder where it will head off too
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1335. atmoaggie 3:54 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Unfriendly:


but can you play Minesweeper on it? ;)

lol. Never boots past run level 3.

(i.e. No mouse, no graphics whatsoever.)

But, conducting any system admin work on these is very, very similar to playing minesweeper. Only there is no new game keyboard shortcut.
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1336. prcane4you 3:55 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Visible shot shows Maria's coc exposed to the west moving a little to the south.What a crazy storm.
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1337. stormwatcherCI 3:55 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
I hate to say it but I sure hope Maria does not decide to take an Ike like track.
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1338. will40 3:55 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Whatever you say doc..



or Stormtop is you like lol
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1339. BahaHurican 3:56 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:



The closest point calculation for Provo has dropped from 240 miles to 217, hopefully the swing won't continue.


Hear hear.

I was figuring with the more Nerly track over the islands Maria would stay out of our hair.
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1341. CybrTeddy 3:56 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Also basti11, your post is assuming that the rest of the season's storms don't form in the Caribbean.

Those cold fronts you mentioned, if a storm forms in the western Caribbean this year, which is likely if you look at the conditions, in October. It could be forced towards the US in a similar manner to October landfalling storms. We are not out of the woods yet, Irene should have been the big hint that this season isn't a tranquil one for the USA.
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1342. stormwatcherCI 3:57 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
did nate even make and fall?
1000 AM CDT SUN SEP 11 2011

VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS THAT THE CENTER OF NATE HAS ACTUALLY
MOVED A LITTLE NORTH OF DUE WEST OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS...KEEPING
THE CENTER OFFSHORE UP TO THIS TIME.
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1343. Patrap 3:57 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Happy Birthday to Dr. Masters...


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1344. ShenValleyFlyFish 3:58 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



i wounder where it will head off too
Probably: the deforested mountains of Florida, the Sunny Beaches of NOLA or the Bayous of Hati, anywhere but the burning swamps of Texas.
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1345. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:59 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Also basti11, your post is assuming that the rest of the season's storms don't form in the Caribbean.

Those cold fronts you mentioned, if a storm forms in the western Caribbean this year, which is likely if you look at the conditions, in October. It could be forced towards the US in a similar manner to October landfalling storms. We are not out of the woods yet, Irene should have been the big hint that this season isn't a tranquil one for the USA.




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1347. Skyepony (Mod) 3:59 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
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1348. atmoaggie 4:00 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Nate's long-loop radar with landfall (very tough to pick out a center): Link

And surprising how little rainfall has come from it. Probably so little rainfall so as to avoid any landslide/mudslide issues.
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1349. o22sail 4:00 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Happy Birthday to Dr. Masters...




Cool!
hbd tu Dr. M
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1350. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:00 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
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1351. BahaHurican 4:00 PM GMT op 11 september 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I hate to say it but I sure hope Maria does not decide to take an Ike like track.
Not really expecting that much of a southward turn, but wondering if that front pple are discussing will get Maria out of the zone before it impacts us. Mind u, NHC has been pretty on the ball with the timing of this stuff since Emily, but still....
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