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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:41 PM GMT op 30 juli 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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6051. Neapolitan 10:15 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting aquak9:
from NHC 2am:

IF THE SYSTEM BECOMES A TROPICAL CYCLONE TODAY...TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS WOULD BE ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS AND THE LEEWARD ISLANDS ON VERY SHORT NOTICE..

Maybe they should've at least dropped some TS watches? not trying to second-guess here, but c'mon...a Watch wouldn't have hurt anyone.

Yeah, but you know how people are, always seeking someone to blame. If the NHC errs of the side of caution and throws up some watches and warnings, everyone will accuse them of expensively crying wolf should the storm not be as bad as it could be. They really can't win...

Good morning, aqua, and everyone else. A likely hurricane on our doorstep, and the hottest week yet of a ridiculously hot year. It's gonna be interesting...
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6052. BoroDad17 10:15 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Good morning all. 91L looking much better this morning. Should get classified by HH shortly IMO. Will be a good thing for the islands, give them at least a little time under a tropical storm warning to get situated.
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6053. stormwatcherCI 10:15 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
That makes me wonder if they do in TCI... r u looking at Google Earth?
No, I check the HH flights on NHC.
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6054. NICycloneChaser 10:16 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting reedzone:
Miami wouldn't like this...
Link



You think?

Lol. Let's hope that doesn't verify. GFDL doing something similar intensity wise but well east of Florida.
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6055. stormwatcherCI 10:17 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Yeah, but you know how people are, always seeking someone to blame. If the NHC errs of the side of caution and throws up some watches and warnings, everyone will accuse them of expensively crying wolf should the storm not be as bad as it could be. They really can't win...

Good morning, aqua, and everyone else. A likely hurricane on our doorstep, and the hottest week yet of a ridiculously hot year. It's gonna be interesting...
The NHC does not issue watches or warnings for the islands. It is up to their individual government to issue them. When they show up on NHC site they have already been issued by the government and the NHC was advised.
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6056. Marou 10:17 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
good early morning everybody ! do you know if the HH just fly over guadeloupe ?? I think I saw him over my head !
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6057. BahaHurican 10:18 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
They are flying right across Guadaloupe's airport... lol
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6058. BahaHurican 10:19 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Marou:
good early morning everybody ! do you know if the HH just fly over guadeloupe ?? I think I saw him over my head !
Bonjour, Marou... I think you are right.
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6059. NICycloneChaser 10:19 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
The NHC does not issue watches or warnings for the islands. It is up to their individual government to issue them. When they show up on NHC site they have already been issued by the government and the NHC was advised.


This is true, however as far as I am aware the NHC consult the governments to advise them on whether a tropical storm/hurricane is likely.
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6060. stormwatcherCI 10:20 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


This is true, however as far as I am aware the NHC consult the governments to advise them on whether a tropical storm/hurricane is likely.
Most likely but the government is left with the final decision.
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6061. BahaHurican 10:21 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting java162:
morning all. its emancipation day here in dominica. wish i could be celebrating but weather got all activities cancelled..
Yeah, kinda hard to be partying hearty when there's a TS bearing down on u...
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6062. NICycloneChaser 10:22 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Most likely but the government is left with the final decision.


Indeed.

The large decrease in size may potentially allow 91L to spin up more quickly, unfortunately for the islands. Going to be interested to see what the HH finds. IMO, they'll find a closed, if slightly elongated circulation, and we'll probably get TD5 at 11am EDT.
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6063. WxLogic 10:22 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Good Morning...
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6064. sunlinepr 10:23 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
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6065. Marou 10:23 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
bonjour bahahurican ! I'm like a litle baby LOL it make happy... every time talk about theme, but see see them when you know they go straigh to the storm wouaou !
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6066. BahaHurican 10:23 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Cotillion:


Slight correction:

In Scotland (and Rep of Ireland), it's today (1st Monday of August), apparently.

For Wales, N Ireland and England, it's last Monday of August.
Ah... the Scots and the Irish are old-fashioned, then... lol

Well, the day off means I can sit and watch this system as much as I want, which is cool...
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6067. stormwatcherCI 10:24 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
From Crown Weather. Further west and further south.


The overnight track model guidance have shifted to the west in their forecast for Emily and now seem to all favor a track that takes it south of Puerto Rico and right across the island of Hispaniola on Wednesday night. I expect Emily to be a hurricane by Wednesday and be tracking into an area of weakness in the ridge of high pressure and thus be turned much more to the northwest during the day Wednesday. This would take Emily potentially right across Hispaniola, however, further shifts to the west are possible given the model trends over the past 12 to 24 hours and this idea of a track right across Hispaniola is not etched in stone.
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6068. sunlinepr 10:24 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
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6069. WxLogic 10:24 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
91L... looking much better now. Satellite wise... we'll see what the HH finds as they're currently in route:

Product: Air Force High Density (HDOB) Message (URNT15 KNHC)
Transmitted: 1st day of the month at 10:21Z
Date: August 1, 2011
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 304)
Mission Purpose: Investigate fourth suspect area (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 3
Observation Number: 08
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6070. KBH 10:25 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


This is true, however as far as I am aware the NHC consult the governments to advise them on whether a tropical storm/hurricane is likely.
Now is is NHC working for the islands or are there here to give US states advanced warning? I think the islands benefit when there is a possible threat to US states or US interest
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6071. Neapolitan 10:27 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
The NHC does not issue watches or warnings for the islands. It is up to their individual government to issue them. When they show up on NHC site they have already been issued by the government and the NHC was advised.

My point being that, not just on Wunderground but all across the tropics, the NHC can do nothing right. If they don't classify a system quickly enough for everyone, they're accused of putting lives in danger by delaying. And if they classify too early and that system fails to develop as anticipated, they're accused of unnecessarily jumping the gun, crying wolf, and so on. I heard an NHC met say some years ago that systems such as 91L that ride the line between classifiable/unclassifiable for a long time drive them nuts; they would much rather have to deal with a system that spools up rapidly and sticks to a clear track.
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6072. stormwatcherCI 10:27 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


Indeed.

The large decrease in size may potentially allow 91L to spin up more quickly, unfortunately for the islands. Going to be interested to see what the HH finds. IMO, they'll find a closed, if slightly elongated circulation, and we'll probably get TD5 at 11am EDT.
Leaving these decisions to individual governments is BS at times. When Paloma was headed our way in 2008 We received no watch but a warning was issued less than 12 hours before she hit us. We had to secure our businesses and go home to secure our homes. The way the rain was coming down at that point it took me 2 hours to get home which is usually a 1/2 hour drive. Then a fight with the rain and increasing winds to board up the house.
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6073. bajelayman2 10:28 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting KBH:
Oh I see, well system looks like a twin cam engine about to release some serious flooding on the islands


Twin Cam, haha. Yeah, this thing is way pecualiar, pulled its frontal lobe back in overnight.

Barbados has its 'Kaddooment' Carnival today, revellers will have a fun time along the streets in the rain, unfortunately the food market people at the main ending of the carnval 'Spring Gsrden Highway' on the coast, will not sell as much if it rains heavy, but if it holds until tonight, or stays far enough above and to the North of the island, we should be okay.

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6074. BoroDad17 10:28 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Anyone else notice how small all the TCs have been this year. 91L looked to be fairly good size, but this morning it has really shrunk while increasing organization. Its as if the large ones just can't get going.
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6075. WxLogic 10:29 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Model wise... there's has been a pretty dramatic shift to the W. Appears the Models have been underestimating the strength of the Azores/Bermuda High.
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6076. stormwatcherCI 10:29 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

My point being that, not just on Wunderground but all across the tropics, the NHC can do nothing right. If they don't classify a system quickly enough for everyone, they're accused of putting lives in danger by delaying. And if they classify too early and that system fails to develop as anticipated, they're accused of unnecessarily jumping the gun, crying wolf, and so on. I hear an NHC met say some years ago that systems such as 91L that ride the line for a long time drive them nuts; they would much rather have to deal with a system that spools up rapidly and sticks to a clear track.
I understand what you mean but in all honesty people cannot(I know they still will)blame the NHC for not issuing warnings in a certain time period. I only mean in the islands but it would be a different case in the US. I am sure the NHC is responsible for issuing watches/warnings for PR though.
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6077. sunlinepr 10:29 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
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6078. Neapolitan 10:30 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Looking small but potent on first RGB, by the way:

91L
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6079. DoubleAction 10:30 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Looks like we will have Emily found after recon. After that the models will have a better grasp on where she goes. Definately do not want this to enter the GOM.
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6080. NICycloneChaser 10:30 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

My point being that, not just on Wunderground but all across the tropics, the NHC can do nothing right. If they don't classify a system quickly enough for everyone, they're accused of putting lives in danger by delaying. And if they classify too early and that system fails to develop as anticipated, they're accused of unnecessarily jumping the gun, crying wolf, and so on. I hear an NHC met say some years ago that systems such as 91L that ride the line for a long time drive them nuts; they would much rather have to deal with a system that spools up rapidly and sticks to a clear track.


I think the simple fact is that a lot of people want to come across as being better than and outwitting the NHC, so as soon as they do something, a selection of people will criticise it to try to appear knowledgeable.
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6081. BahaHurican 10:30 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Yeah, but you know how people are, always seeking someone to blame. If the NHC errs of the side of caution and throws up some watches and warnings, everyone will accuse them of expensively crying wolf should the storm not be as bad as it could be. They really can't win...

Good morning, aqua, and everyone else. A likely hurricane on our doorstep, and the hottest week yet of a ridiculously hot year. It's gonna be interesting...
Morning, Nea. Was thinking the same thing about NHC.... but I bet the islands have been expecting this since Saturday, especially since that Twave ran out in front and gave Barbados that heavy rain.... the greater worries, IMO are for Dominica and points northwest of there.

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6082. aquak9 10:31 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
good morning all, thanks for the clarification on who's responsible for what.


Having lost nearly all access to WU from work, I'll be in the dark figuratively for most of the day.

Hopefully I won't be in the dark literally, a week from now.
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6083. sunlinepr 10:32 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting WxLogic:
Model wise... there's has been a pretty dramatic shift to the W. Appears the Models have been underestimating the strength of the Azores/Bermuda High.
Agreed...
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6084. Mikla 10:32 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Early and interpolated models - they are coming into much better agreement:
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6085. KBH 10:32 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting KBH:
Now is is NHC working for the islands or are there here to give US states advanced warning? I think the islands benefit when there is a possible threat to US states or US interest
Would be useful for the islands to get their own Nexrad in situations like this
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6086. aquak9 10:32 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Looking small but potent on first RGB, by the way:

91L

size doesn't matter, heh heh heh
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6087. NICycloneChaser 10:33 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Mikla:
Early and interpolated models - they are coming into much better agreement:


The yellow one on the far left towards the GOMEX definitely has it right. The XTRP is proving to be very reliable recently....

Lol.
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6088. BahaHurican 10:33 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


This is true, however as far as I am aware the NHC consult the governments to advise them on whether a tropical storm/hurricane is likely.
Definitely a collabarative process goes on. However, governments are free to issue warnings ahead of time. I notice the PR wx pple didn't wait for the formal warnings...

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6089. WxLogic 10:33 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting BoroDad17:
Anyone else notice how small all the TCs have been this year. 91L looked to be fairly good size, but this morning it has really shrunk while increasing organization. Its as if the large ones just can't get going.


Large disturbances will definitely take longer to organize as they have to dominate the flow of large areas. If they encounter any competition then it makes it harder to get going, but as you can see if they can consolidate further and become smaller then is less work that they have to do and less frictional forces to deal with along with that too.

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6090. sunlinepr 10:34 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
NAM takes it more S

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6091. bajelayman2 10:36 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
The last few years results have shown the NHC to be very responsible and actually fairly accurate on forecasts. They are professionals and they do the job well.

Even with tricky systems they have done well.

On occasions some surprises may come, but what does anyone expect, it is the weather, they are experts, but not God.

Remember, I think it was Wilma or one of theose, who barrelled through 20knots of windshear and was still a Cat 3 at the end of it?

Cant remember of they called that right, but who would have thought that possible?

These things happen.
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6092. BahaHurican 10:36 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting Marou:
bonjour bahahurican ! I'm like a litle baby LOL it make happy... every time talk about theme, but see see them when you know they go straigh to the storm wouaou !
Yes, I can imagine :o) ... it is very exciting. We get a lot more planes flying over New Providence, so we do not get the low flying planes. You had a good opportunity today!
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6093. WxLogic 10:37 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
91L has definitely (compared to yesterday) being able to consolidate at all levels (unlike the elongated VORT region(s) it had):

850MB VORT:


700MB VORT:


500MB VORT:
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6094. Cotillion 10:38 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
I'd expect that local met offices have issued watches on potential flooding and squally weather, however.

Lesser Antilles are very used to vigorous T-waves, after all.

I shouldn't think a TS watch\warning for a minimal TS is going to change that too much. It doesn't have much room to get stronger than that right now, even though it looks quite compact currently.

Of course, the HHs could find something a bit stronger than anticipated, happened plenty of times before.
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6095. WxLogic 10:39 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
06Z GFS (currently running) slow mover:



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6096. bajelayman2 10:39 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Love this GOES loop form RAMSDIS, it really shows the circulation well.

Looks like closed to me. 15N 56W.

Link
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6097. smuldy 10:39 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Yeah, kinda hard to be partying hearty when there's a TS bearing down on u...
so untrue, a beach tradition here in MIA is to go to the bar or to friends for a 'hurricane party' to ride out the storm; now if you were saying a cat 2+ i would completely agree, but a TS is only a headache for those needing to pay insurance fix house damage or in extreme areas (say texas with the drought and all the dead trees that must be around)
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6098. WxLogic 10:41 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
I would expect at 8AM TWO a 100% (assuming HH hasn't either arrived or not found a closed circulation yet) or TD#5 if HH is successful.
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6099. NICycloneChaser 10:41 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting WxLogic:
06Z GFS (currently running) slow mover:





And closer to Florida, AGAIN. GFS keeps doing the same thing, only a little farther west each time.
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6100. stormhank 10:41 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Morning everyone! I just saw the new GFS run has emily goin right over florida?? Is it just me or isnt the models shifting more west???
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6101. NICycloneChaser 10:42 AM GMT op 01 augustus 2011    
Quoting WxLogic:
I would expect at 8AM TWO a 100% (assuming HH hasn't either arrived or not found a closed circulation yet) or TD#5 if HH is successful.


I'm not sure they'll fancy another go at 100% after what happened yesterday, lol.
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