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Tropical Depression Fifteen forms in the Caribbean
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:32 PM GMT op 23 september 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Fifteen is here, and is destined to become Tropical Storm Matthew by late this afternoon or this evening. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft left the storm near 2pm EDT this afternoon, and on their final pass through the strong northeast quadrant of the storm, found a substantial area of surface winds of 40 - 45 mph with their SFMR instrument. Top flight level winds at 500 feet were 48 mph. These winds support upgrading TD 15 to Tropical Storm Matthew. Satellite loops show that TD 15's heavy thunderstorm activity continues to increase in intensity and areal coverage, with several respectable low-level spiral bands in evidence. There is some dry air to the northwest of TD 15, but it is currently not significantly affecting development.


Figure 1. TD 15 at 11:50am EDT 9/23/10, as seen by NASA's Terra satellite.

Forecast for TD 15
An upper-level high pressure system lies to the west of TD 15, near the coast of Nicaragua. The clockwise flow of air around this high will bring a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over TD 15 today and Friday. There is some dry continental air lying to the northwest of TD 15, and this shear may be able to drive dry air into the storm, slowing intensification and keeping TD 15 below hurricane strength through Saturday morning. By Saturday afternoon, TD 15 will move more underneath this upper-level high, causing the shear to decline. The SHIPS model forecasts that shear will fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, Saturday through Monday. This drop in shear should allow for intensification of TD 15 into a hurricane, if the center stays more than 50 miles offshore.

The future track and intensity of TD 15 depends critically upon the storm's interaction with land over the coming days. If TD 15 misses making landfall in Nicaragua and Honduras, and instead skirts the north coast of Honduras, the storm is likely to intensify into a hurricane by Sunday, as indicated in the official NHC forecast. However, if TD 15 spends significant time over or barely offshore of Honduras, the storm will likely stay below hurricane strength. TD 15 is being forced just north of due west by a strong ridge of high pressure. This ridge will keep the storm moving at 15 mph through Saturday. On Sunday, a trough of low pressure diving southwards over the Eastern U.S. will weaken the steering currents over the Western Caribbean and cause TD 15 to slow and turn more to the north. TD 15 will begin a period of slow and erratic movement on Sunday that may last many days, as the storm wanders in the Western Caribbean and over Belize, Honduras, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. If the center of TD 15 spends significant time over water, the storm could easily develop into powerful and dangerous Hurricane Matthew. If the center remains mostly over land, TD 15 will still generate extremely heavy rains over Central America, but remain below hurricane strength. By late next week, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may lift out, allowing a ridge of high pressure to build in and force TD 15 westwards across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. Alternatively, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may amplify, drawing TD 15 northwards across Western Cuba and into Florida. A complicating factor may be the development of a new tropical depression in the Central Caribbean 6 - 8 days from now, as predicted by both the GFS and NOGAPS models with their latest 12Z (8am EDT) runs. The uncertainties in the long-range fate of TD 15 are high, and depend strongly on slight variations in its track that determine how much time the storm spends over land. One thing that is virtually certain is that TD 15 will generate very heavy rains over Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula Friday through Tuesday that will cause dangerous flooding rains and life-threatening mudslides.

Tropical Depression Lisa
Tropical Depression Lisa continues to churn the waters of the far Eastern Atlantic. By Saturday night, upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over Lisa. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The remnants of Hurricane Julia are still spinning over the far Eastern Atlantic, and are generating some sporadic heavy thunderstorm to the north of the center of circulation. Julia's remains are being given a 10% chance of re-developing by NHC.

Hurricane Karl's moisture causing flooding in Minnesota, Wisconsin
A plume of very moist air associated with what was Hurricane Karl last week has surged northwards over the Central U.S. over the past two days. This moisture is now being lifted over a warm front draped over Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has generated flooding rains in excess of six inches in southern Minnesota this afternoon. Flood warnings and flood watches are posted for a wide swath of the upper Midwest today, including most of southern Minnesota, northern Wisconsin, and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. These types of rain events are called Predecessor Rain Events (PREs), because they typically precede the actual arrival of the rain shield of a tropical storm.


Figure 2. Radar estimated rainfall over Minnesota.

Next post
I'll have an update on TD 15 Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2051. CyclonicVoyage 4:48 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:


Yep, been fairly consistent about that too.

I don't think the gfs is showing a Nicole...I think it's got to still be Matt. That is a pretty good size rotation, and looks to be a little while before that circulation rids itself of the W Carib


Scottsvb gave some insight into that earlier today however, now with the NHC mentioning it, ya have to wonder.
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2052. xcool 4:49 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
that Nicole hits fl not Matthew
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2053. sunlinepr 4:49 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
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2056. BenBIogger 4:50 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
High pressure over the eastern U.S has began to weaken at a very slow pace.

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2058. SouthDadeFish 4:50 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
I still feel that the global models are not well reflecting Matthew's current intensification trend. They all seem to keep him a minimal TS as it interacts with Central America, which would explain why they drop him so easily. He's obviously not going to be a minimal TS.
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2059. Couillon 4:50 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
oh no hes heres back had ! ready

Just have a little fun with these visitors.
Thats what I do.
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2060. TropicalWeatherGrl 4:50 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Hurricane Matthew Has this ever happened before because the theory of this sounds very interesting I just never remember this happening before?
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2062. CyclonicVoyage 4:51 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
My stressed eyes are telling me Mattie is right on track. Seems a bit more of a Nward component at the end. Stressed eyes say night all, we'll see in the morning.
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2063. StormJunkie 4:52 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Convection continues to grow and he seems to be gaining a little latitude...But I'm guessing he might be under 18hrs to landfall.

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2064. JLPR2 4:52 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting HurricaneMatthew:


yes, thank you! Hence, it combines it to form Nicole. Yes, JP, it'll be a very complex situation, but it's what they are showing. At first I thought it was Matthew, but now I see that it'll be Nicole Fascination stuff, let's see what the latest Euro sees at 2am. Thanks, JP, I thought I was going insane here.


No, not insane, you actually saw exactly what I saw, but saying where possible Nicole will end up is still difficult as it could not even exist. It all depends on Matthew and his strength.
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2065. PalmBeachWeatherBoy 4:52 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
im confused? what i see with the gfs is mathew hitting the yucatan, stalling over the yucatan, being drawn back east into the waters in response to the trough, stalling south of cuba, then moving NNW after the trough passes, then another trough moving it over florida in a NE direction
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2066. JLPR2 4:54 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
My stressed eyes are telling me Mattie is right on track. Seems a bit more of a Nward component at the end. Stressed eyes say night all, we'll see in the morning.


Night!
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2067. scott39 4:54 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
LOL, Matthew is blowing up in size and strength, While Nicole is only a twinkle in his eye. Matthew aint Nicoles brother he is her future Daddy!
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2068. JLPR2 4:55 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting PalmBeachWeatherBoy:
im confused? what i see with the gfs is mathew hitting the yucatan, stalling over the yucatan, being drawn back east into the waters in response to the trough, stalling south of cuba, then moving NNW after the trough passes, then another trough moving it over florida in a NE direction


Check the vorticity loop and you'll see Matthew die inland and a vorticity being pulled from the E-Pac, interesting stuff...
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2069. reedzone 4:55 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Scottsvb gave some insight into that earlier today however, now with the NHC mentioning it, ya have to wonder.


He's a fake, he lies to everyone saying how I was banned from other sites, which I wasn't and he also proclaims that I said stuff that I really didn't say. Scottsvb is inaccurate and with his attitude, he does NOT deserve to be a MET! Just letting you in on the truth.
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2072. BenBIogger 4:55 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:
Convection continues to grow and he seems to be gaining a little latitude...But I'm guessing he might be under 18hrs to landfall.


Agree. but, it should begin to slow as the High pressure over the eastern U.S continues to weaken and progress east.
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2073. traumaboyy 4:55 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Good morning/evening night shift.....Coffee is ready!!
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2074. scott39 4:56 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting BenBIogger:


Agree. but, it should begin to slow as the High pressure over the eastern U,S continue to weaken and progress east.
He is now
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2075. hunkerdown 4:56 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


He's a fake, he lies to everyone saying how I was banned from other sites, which I wasn't and he also proclaims that I said stuff that I really didn't say. Scottsvb is inaccurate and with his attitude, he does NOT deserve to be a MET!
the pot and the kettle, from the kid with a global cone...
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2076. xcool 4:56 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    



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2077. CyclonicVoyage 4:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting PalmBeachWeatherBoy:
im confused? what i see with the gfs is mathew hitting the yucatan, stalling over the yucatan, being drawn back east into the waters in response to the trough, stalling south of cuba, then moving NNW after the trough passes, then another trough moving it over florida in a NE direction


That's what I see too. Remember Dr. Masters quote "The storm could end up meandering in the NW Caribb for several days. Models don't do well with stationary storms. At the end of the day, it will be Matthew, IMO.
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2078. hunkerdown 4:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting traumaboyy:
Good morning/evening night shift.....Coffee is ready!!
coffee ???
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2079. xcool 4:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
any from NEW ORLEANS TO FL KEEP EYE TROPICAL STORM MATTHEW jmo
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2080. TropicalWeatherGrl 4:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
JLRP2 Do you have a link?
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2082. will40 4:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Hi traumaboyy
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2083. scottsvb 4:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Matthew and the models are in a very complex situation, normally seen in late Oct-Nov. We really need to see the GFS and ECMWF play side by side still. Both see something from broad low pressure north of Honduras Sunday-Tuesday then moving N or even NNE thru Cuba.

Many questions about this. Right now, its hard not to say Matthew goes into Nic-Honduras then Belize, weakens to a weak low..but with a broad low pressure weakness left in the NW carribean. Will something develop out of this Mon-Weds? We have to continue to watch the "Near Term" forecasts and postions of Matthew, Digging trough and moisture surge coming north from the SW carribean. Another words... confidence is very low on the outcome on days 3-5 (Monday-Wedns) but confidence is high in the short term of this moving inland late Friday evening.
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2084. scott39 4:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


That's what I see too. Remember Dr. Masters quote "The storm could end up meandering in the NW Caribb for several days. Models don't do well with stationary storms. At the end of the day, it will be Matthew, IMO.
Exactly
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2085. xcool 4:59 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
NGP 120HRS NO Nicole AND NO MATTHEW
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2086. CyclonicVoyage 4:59 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


He's a fake, he lies to everyone saying how I was banned from other sites, which I wasn't and he also proclaims that I said stuff that I really didn't say. Scottsvb is inaccurate and with his attitude, he does NOT deserve to be a MET! Just letting you in on the truth.


I really don't care to comment on personal issues. At the end of the day he does provide solid insight.
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2087. reedzone 4:59 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
I'm not trying to start anything, just telling the truth about him, he's sent me very nasty emails in the past, words I cannot say in this forum. DO NOT quote the lier, I don't want to start anything.
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2088. JLPR2 5:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:
JLRP2 Do you have a link?


850mb vort loop
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2090. BenBIogger 5:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
I'm not trying to start anything, just telling the truth about him, he's sent me very nasty emails in the past, words I cannot say in this forum. DO NOT quote the lier, I don't want to start anything.


Just ignore him and move on...
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2091. CaribBoy 5:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
GFS continues to show a very complex situation in the caribbean with several possible tropical systems.
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2092. scott39 5:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting xcool:
NGP 120HRS NO Nicole AND NO MATTHEW
There all crazy! LOL
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2093. reedzone 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


I really don't care to comment on personal issues. At the end of the day he does provide solid insight.


I'm just letting you in on the truth, he's not what he is claimed to be. He's on another site I blog on sometimes and he has harassed me on there in the past.
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2094. Couillon 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
The Reedzone conus of error.
RIDGES will have there synopsis after the data has been studied.
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2095. hunkerdown 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
I'm waiting for the other models out soon, especially Euro, to shed some light. But I don't the NHC is going to kill Matthew and rename it Nicole. ave they ever done that before?
they do mention the scenario in their 11pm discussion
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2096. traumaboyy 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting xcool:
any from NEW ORLEANS TO FL KEEP EYE TROPICAL STORM MATTHEW jmo


Eyes open!!

Quoting will40:
Hi traumaboyy


Mornin Will!!

Quoting hunkerdown:
coffee ???


You don't know what Coffee is??
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2098. robert88 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
This is by far the most interesting and complex situation of 2010. I feel FL is going to get something soon. I will have to give the GFS big props if it nails this scenario.
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2099. TropicalWeatherGrl 5:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Thank you
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2100. xcool 5:02 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
scott39 lol yep
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