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Tropical Depression Fifteen forms in the Caribbean
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:32 PM GMT op 23 september 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Fifteen is here, and is destined to become Tropical Storm Matthew by late this afternoon or this evening. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft left the storm near 2pm EDT this afternoon, and on their final pass through the strong northeast quadrant of the storm, found a substantial area of surface winds of 40 - 45 mph with their SFMR instrument. Top flight level winds at 500 feet were 48 mph. These winds support upgrading TD 15 to Tropical Storm Matthew. Satellite loops show that TD 15's heavy thunderstorm activity continues to increase in intensity and areal coverage, with several respectable low-level spiral bands in evidence. There is some dry air to the northwest of TD 15, but it is currently not significantly affecting development.


Figure 1. TD 15 at 11:50am EDT 9/23/10, as seen by NASA's Terra satellite.

Forecast for TD 15
An upper-level high pressure system lies to the west of TD 15, near the coast of Nicaragua. The clockwise flow of air around this high will bring a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over TD 15 today and Friday. There is some dry continental air lying to the northwest of TD 15, and this shear may be able to drive dry air into the storm, slowing intensification and keeping TD 15 below hurricane strength through Saturday morning. By Saturday afternoon, TD 15 will move more underneath this upper-level high, causing the shear to decline. The SHIPS model forecasts that shear will fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, Saturday through Monday. This drop in shear should allow for intensification of TD 15 into a hurricane, if the center stays more than 50 miles offshore.

The future track and intensity of TD 15 depends critically upon the storm's interaction with land over the coming days. If TD 15 misses making landfall in Nicaragua and Honduras, and instead skirts the north coast of Honduras, the storm is likely to intensify into a hurricane by Sunday, as indicated in the official NHC forecast. However, if TD 15 spends significant time over or barely offshore of Honduras, the storm will likely stay below hurricane strength. TD 15 is being forced just north of due west by a strong ridge of high pressure. This ridge will keep the storm moving at 15 mph through Saturday. On Sunday, a trough of low pressure diving southwards over the Eastern U.S. will weaken the steering currents over the Western Caribbean and cause TD 15 to slow and turn more to the north. TD 15 will begin a period of slow and erratic movement on Sunday that may last many days, as the storm wanders in the Western Caribbean and over Belize, Honduras, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. If the center of TD 15 spends significant time over water, the storm could easily develop into powerful and dangerous Hurricane Matthew. If the center remains mostly over land, TD 15 will still generate extremely heavy rains over Central America, but remain below hurricane strength. By late next week, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may lift out, allowing a ridge of high pressure to build in and force TD 15 westwards across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. Alternatively, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may amplify, drawing TD 15 northwards across Western Cuba and into Florida. A complicating factor may be the development of a new tropical depression in the Central Caribbean 6 - 8 days from now, as predicted by both the GFS and NOGAPS models with their latest 12Z (8am EDT) runs. The uncertainties in the long-range fate of TD 15 are high, and depend strongly on slight variations in its track that determine how much time the storm spends over land. One thing that is virtually certain is that TD 15 will generate very heavy rains over Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula Friday through Tuesday that will cause dangerous flooding rains and life-threatening mudslides.

Tropical Depression Lisa
Tropical Depression Lisa continues to churn the waters of the far Eastern Atlantic. By Saturday night, upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over Lisa. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The remnants of Hurricane Julia are still spinning over the far Eastern Atlantic, and are generating some sporadic heavy thunderstorm to the north of the center of circulation. Julia's remains are being given a 10% chance of re-developing by NHC.

Hurricane Karl's moisture causing flooding in Minnesota, Wisconsin
A plume of very moist air associated with what was Hurricane Karl last week has surged northwards over the Central U.S. over the past two days. This moisture is now being lifted over a warm front draped over Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has generated flooding rains in excess of six inches in southern Minnesota this afternoon. Flood warnings and flood watches are posted for a wide swath of the upper Midwest today, including most of southern Minnesota, northern Wisconsin, and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. These types of rain events are called Predecessor Rain Events (PREs), because they typically precede the actual arrival of the rain shield of a tropical storm.


Figure 2. Radar estimated rainfall over Minnesota.

Next post
I'll have an update on TD 15 Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1651. weaverwxman 1:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
weatherman12345 nice post good info hope it turns sooner than later to the NW dont really want a cane in s. fla but dont want loss of many lives in C.A. either
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1652. coffeecrusader 1:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
The 18z models are all over the place. The HWRF is the strangest in that it has Matthew missing land, shooting the gap between Cuba and the Yucatan and yet never getting stronger than a tropical storm. This from a model that consistently overdoes the strength of these storms.
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1653. vince1966 1:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Ponder this,
With todays modern tools for meteorology there is still only a 31% chance at guessing where a tropical storm will be in 4 hours time, 8% chance at 24 hours. Let alone figuring the strength or atmospheric influences that play into the tracking. That pretty much makes this a giant guessing game, model are severely inaccurate and the Professionals always say "we will be keeping an eye on this storm for you" that translates into " I have no Idea whats going to happen in 6 hours". Nice, so what is the point of this blog? Bragging rights to the one who Guesses it right? The big I told you so? Kudos.
This all translates to WISH-CASTING. Leave it to the pros who are only scarcely correct.....
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1654. kmanislander 1:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Reminds me of the calypso, " feelin hot hot hot "

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1655. CyclonicVoyage 1:57 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Still taking some shear IMO.
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1656. leo305 1:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
pressure has dropped rather steeply the past couple of hours.. down to 1002mb...

winds up to 45mph
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1657. BioChemist 1:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Right on it actually.

See post 1636

Center estimate from ADT is displaced a bit to the ENE of the convective mass.


thanks
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1658. turtlegirl9 1:58 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting iahishome:
I'm coming to Florida next week, so I'm watching this one more carefully than usual from So-Cal. (My wife never let us move to Houston LoL.)

I usually just watch them for family impact in and around Beaumont, TX, but this one could affect me.

I know it's wrong, but I would like to experience it if just for a day. I'm landing in Fort Lauterdale (Sorry, I know I'm probably butchering that.) on Friday morning for a four day weekend.

I was planning on heading to Key West for snorkeling on Saturday 10/2, but that seems a little iffy at the moment. Does anyone know of a place to snorkel on the east coast if the weather's dicey on the keys?


You can try Biscayne National Park's concessionaire but its been blowing badly enough these past couple days they may stay in the Bay and not go to the reef which isn't as fun. Don't know about options further north.
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1659. EricSFL 1:59 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Reminds me of the calypso, " feelin hot hot hot "



Well, actually cold, cold, cold cloud tops. lol
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1660. stormwatcherCI 1:59 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting flsky:

It's got two "http"s. Just delete one.
Thanks.
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1662. atmoaggie 2:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Okay, grabbed a grib file for 54 hours out from the 18 UTC HWRF run. Plotted it up in Panopoly. Chose the closest to the 6 hour precip, total precip (maybe the same, but in kg m^-2).

The peak value is ~400 kr m^-2, but some modification of the color scale, and the same "waves" from the north through halfway down come out. As does the "squared" section in the NW corner. I think this is simply in the HWRF output. I'd call this a not useful intensity model.



The plot that spawned all of this HWRFian doubt:

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1663. leo305 2:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
The system is jogging northward a bit..

WNW jog at the moment..

convection is wrapping around nicely over the center..

conditions still favorable for rapid intensification.. just needs to get a little more stronger at the surface to suck up for energy at a faster pace
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1664. kmanislander 2:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting EricSFL:


Well, actually cold, cold, cold cloud tops. lol


Yeah, well what's in a word eh LOL

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1666. txag91met 2:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting AnthonyJKenn:


Apparently the NO/BTR NWS feels protected enough. From their 4 PM AFD:


THE UPPER TROUGH AND A CLOSED LOW WILL MOVE SOUTHEAST INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY WITH THE COLD FRONT EXPECTED TO DRIVE THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA INCLUDING THE GULF COASTAL WATERS SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY. THE BEST CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE ON SUNDAY WITH A DECENT CHANCE CONTINUING IN ADVANCE OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY. THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A SIGNIFICANT THREAT OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AT
THIS TIME...BUT CANNOT RULE OUT A FEW STRONG STORMS.

BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF MOVE THE MID/UPPER TROUGH AXIS EAST WITH THE LOW OPENING INTO A WAVE AND MOVING NORTHEAST MONDAY NIGHT. THE 12Z ECMWF NOW HAS STRONGER SECONDARY ENERGY DROPPING DOWN AND REPOSITIONING A NEW UPPER LOW OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY REGION ON WEDNESDAY WHILE THE GFS HAS ONLY WEAK TROUGH/SHEAR AXIS EXTENDING NORTHEAST TO SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST STATES. BOTH
MODELS TAKE WHAT APPEARS TO BE MATTHEW NORTH ACROSS WESTERN CUBA TOWARDS CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN FLORIDA LATE NEXT WEEK. LOCALLY...THE CENTRAL GULF COAST REGION IS EXPECTED TO BE PROTECTED FROM TROPICAL TROUBLE BY AN UPPER TROUGH TO THE EAST AND THE COLD FRONT THAT WILL HAVE PUSHED WELL OFFSHORE INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO. AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF LOWER HUMIDITY AND COOLER TEMPERATURES ARE
EXPECTED DURING MOST OF NEXT WEEK. 22/TD

Oh, but that must mean that upper TX and Western LA will get hit, right?? Uhhhh...WRONG. Here's the AFD from this aftenoon from the Lake Charles NWS:

A COLD FRONT IS STILL ON TRACK TO MOVE TOWARD THE REGION ON SATURDAY...AND ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA LATE SUNDAY. LOOKS LIKE DECENT GULF MOISTURE WILL HANG AROUND THE FORECAST AREA BEFORE THE FRONT ARRIVES...AND WOULD EXPECTED AT-LEAST SCATTERED SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS TO DEVELOP OVER THE WEEKEND...WITH THE BEST CHANCE JUST AHEAD OF THE FRONT DURING SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

MUCH DRIER AND COOLER AIR WILL MOVE INTO THE FORECAST AREA BEHIND THE FRONT ON MONDAY. NORTHERLY FLOW LOOKS TO HANG ON THROUGH THE UP-COMING WEEK THAT WILL ALLOW FOR DRY AND SEASONABLE CONDITIONS.

Sorry, folks, but unless there is a radical change in this forecast within the next 24 hours, rumors of a TX/LA/MS landfall for Matthew/Nicole are just that: RUMORS. East of Mobile to Tampa/Keys is still the best bet; with S of Tampico or a stall until the next trough kicks it NE being the alternative best solution.


Anthony


Still a lot of ECMWF ensemble members that are further left that the Euro operational.
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1667. iahishome 2:00 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:


It's in the Keys, but not all the way down to Key West: John Pennekamp State Park is the best snorkeling in the country for my money. The problem is, even if Matthews is gone by then, there could be damage to infrastructure, so you defintely do need to watch carefully. (Where in CA are you from?)


Thanks Neapolitan. I'm in Colton, California. About an hour from the beach, an hour from the Mountains, and an hour from the desert. If I wasn't married, I'd have pickup, a jetski, an ATV and a windsurfer's board (whatever you call that.) Instead I have a minivan -- LoL.

Around here, they go on StormWatch (tm) if there's 1/4 inch of rain on the way!
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1668. weatherguy03 2:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting BioChemist:
it looks like it is going to head well south of the forecast does it not?


Was just looking at that. Seems to me its trending alittle farther West, which could mean more land interaction.
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1670. weaverwxman 2:01 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
vince there are a lot of pros on here and they all manage to post different opinions and don't wank kudos just want to put all the guesses out there based on the facts in front of them right now....
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1671. all4hurricanes 2:02 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
I think this is one of the many possibilities for Matt track wise, others include Kieth 2000, Roxane 1995, Wilma 2005, Mitch 1998, and Ida 2009 I think some weird combination we've never seen before will happen where Matt spends days near the coast but never far inland, then a north movement into Pensacola
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1672. Nolehead 2:02 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
yep and just wait till it does get into the GOM...wonder what o'l BP is going to say now when oil gets blown all over the place...."oh yeah my bad i forgot it doesn't exist it just disappeared right!?!?!"
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1673. blsealevel 2:02 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
reference.

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1675. CyclonicVoyage 2:03 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting iahishome:
I'm coming to Florida next week, so I'm watching this one more carefully than usual from So-Cal. (My wife never let us move to Houston LoL.)

I usually just watch them for family impact in and around Beaumont, TX, but this one could affect me.

I know it's wrong, but I would like to experience it if just for a day. I'm landing in Fort Lauterdale (Sorry, I know I'm probably butchering that.) on Friday morning for a four day weekend.

I was planning on heading to Key West for snorkeling on Saturday 10/2, but that seems a little iffy at the moment. Does anyone know of a place to snorkel on the east coast if the weather's dicey on the keys?


All the way up the east coast is peppered with decent snorkeling. I stress decent in the shallows. Much better up the coast if your diving 50 to 100ft. Red Reef Park in Boca Raton is one of the better spots. Over the past several years they have been placing man made reefs up and down the coast to limit beach erosion.
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1676. Couillon 2:03 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
I've stood so much, I can't stands no more.

Bis bald, Blog.



I agree we should keep it clean.
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1680. hydrus 2:04 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting all4hurricanes:
I think this is one of the many possibilities for Matt track wise, others include Kieth 2000, Roxane 1995, Wilma 2005, Mitch 1998, and Ida 2009 I think some weird combination we've never seen before will happen where Matt spends days near the coast but never far inland, then a north movement into Pensacola
That storm killed 3000 people. Some serious flooding must have occurred since it only reached cat-1.
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1683. iahishome 2:05 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting EricSFL:


I recommend John Pennekamp State Park in Key Largo for snorkeling. I know its in the Keys, but it is the first one from Miami so it is the most accessible from the Metro area. Nice park, mangrove beach, and diving/snorkeling tours. Btw, Check out Coconut Grove and Coral Gables while you're here. :)


Nice, thanks for the advice! I'm forwarding it all to my wife as she's in charge of the itinerary. I only wanted to go to Key West because my dad snorkeled there almost 50 years ago to the day when he was in the Navy.
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1684. centex 2:05 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
I think we will see a near term south shift on official forecast track which will also change the intensity in this period. I'm a little amazed how strong the experts think this trough is and how it will pick up and turn NE a relatively weak TC at very low latitude. I’m still in the camp this trough does not turn it NE. If models trend toward official current track solution in next 48 hours I will agree historical NE low latitude turn is in the works. Will be fun to watch.
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1686. Want2learn 2:05 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Lately there has been millions of fish die in Ms and Al gulf waters, I hope Matthew sits out in the gulf for a day and spins like a washing machine and clean up all the oil that is killing our fishing Industry and other jobs and make seafood safer to eat.
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1688. Progster 2:06 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
As many have noted way to early to forecast Mathew details especially concerning the mainland US. Of interest in the shorter term is the way the ensembles are handling the phasing of the mid continental cold front with the inverted trof developing across the NW Caribbean and central GOMEX in the day 2-7 period. The deterministic GFS has 6-8" on the eastern side of the southern Appalachians and this is well supported by the ensembles. So Matt or not, high-impact weather is on the way for the SE.

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1693. cajunkid 2:08 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting Want2learn:
Lately there has been millions of fish die in Ms and Al gulf waters, em>


Wrong...no evedence of this.

The fish are safe to eat!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1694. stillwaiting 2:08 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Reminds me of the calypso, " feelin hot hot hot "

...whatcha think ,cane in 12hrs???
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1696. atmoaggie 2:08 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting Want2learn:
Lately there has been millions of fish die in Ms and Al gulf waters, I hope Matthew sits out in the gulf for a day and spins like a washing machine and clean up all the oil that is killing our fishing Industry and other jobs and make seafood safer to eat.
??? Nary a problem with the seafood lately. In fact, given all of the scrutiny it's undergoing right now, probably has never been safer.
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1697. MrNatural 2:08 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Forward speed has picked up to 16 mph. Tells me that it is going to be on the west side of the forecast cone. May out run the trough that is suppose to direct it north.
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1699. kmanislander 2:09 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting wxmobilejim:

would you like to visit another forum. Link


Looks interesting. "Experts". Not sure if I qualify
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1700. iahishome 2:09 AM GMT op 24 september 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


All the way up the east coast is peppered with decent snorkeling. I stress decent in the shallows. Much better up the coast if your diving 50 to 100ft. Red Reef Park in Boca Raton is one of the better spots. Over the past several years they have been placing man made reefs up and down the coast to limit beach erosion.


Thanks, I'll bring that up to my wife as well.

To keep it tropical: Now that Matt has a good CDO I can finally pick out his center... at least approximately. He's the first storm I've really seen develop when he started surrounded by a huge mess of disorganized convection. It seems these storms find it difficult to consolidate when it's popping all around. I don't pretend to know why though.
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