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Tropical Depression Fifteen forms in the Caribbean
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:32 PM GMT op 23 september 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Fifteen is here, and is destined to become Tropical Storm Matthew by late this afternoon or this evening. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft left the storm near 2pm EDT this afternoon, and on their final pass through the strong northeast quadrant of the storm, found a substantial area of surface winds of 40 - 45 mph with their SFMR instrument. Top flight level winds at 500 feet were 48 mph. These winds support upgrading TD 15 to Tropical Storm Matthew. Satellite loops show that TD 15's heavy thunderstorm activity continues to increase in intensity and areal coverage, with several respectable low-level spiral bands in evidence. There is some dry air to the northwest of TD 15, but it is currently not significantly affecting development.


Figure 1. TD 15 at 11:50am EDT 9/23/10, as seen by NASA's Terra satellite.

Forecast for TD 15
An upper-level high pressure system lies to the west of TD 15, near the coast of Nicaragua. The clockwise flow of air around this high will bring a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over TD 15 today and Friday. There is some dry continental air lying to the northwest of TD 15, and this shear may be able to drive dry air into the storm, slowing intensification and keeping TD 15 below hurricane strength through Saturday morning. By Saturday afternoon, TD 15 will move more underneath this upper-level high, causing the shear to decline. The SHIPS model forecasts that shear will fall to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, Saturday through Monday. This drop in shear should allow for intensification of TD 15 into a hurricane, if the center stays more than 50 miles offshore.

The future track and intensity of TD 15 depends critically upon the storm's interaction with land over the coming days. If TD 15 misses making landfall in Nicaragua and Honduras, and instead skirts the north coast of Honduras, the storm is likely to intensify into a hurricane by Sunday, as indicated in the official NHC forecast. However, if TD 15 spends significant time over or barely offshore of Honduras, the storm will likely stay below hurricane strength. TD 15 is being forced just north of due west by a strong ridge of high pressure. This ridge will keep the storm moving at 15 mph through Saturday. On Sunday, a trough of low pressure diving southwards over the Eastern U.S. will weaken the steering currents over the Western Caribbean and cause TD 15 to slow and turn more to the north. TD 15 will begin a period of slow and erratic movement on Sunday that may last many days, as the storm wanders in the Western Caribbean and over Belize, Honduras, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. If the center of TD 15 spends significant time over water, the storm could easily develop into powerful and dangerous Hurricane Matthew. If the center remains mostly over land, TD 15 will still generate extremely heavy rains over Central America, but remain below hurricane strength. By late next week, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may lift out, allowing a ridge of high pressure to build in and force TD 15 westwards across the Yucatan Peninsula and into the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. Alternatively, the trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. may amplify, drawing TD 15 northwards across Western Cuba and into Florida. A complicating factor may be the development of a new tropical depression in the Central Caribbean 6 - 8 days from now, as predicted by both the GFS and NOGAPS models with their latest 12Z (8am EDT) runs. The uncertainties in the long-range fate of TD 15 are high, and depend strongly on slight variations in its track that determine how much time the storm spends over land. One thing that is virtually certain is that TD 15 will generate very heavy rains over Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula Friday through Tuesday that will cause dangerous flooding rains and life-threatening mudslides.

Tropical Depression Lisa
Tropical Depression Lisa continues to churn the waters of the far Eastern Atlantic. By Saturday night, upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over Lisa. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The remnants of Hurricane Julia are still spinning over the far Eastern Atlantic, and are generating some sporadic heavy thunderstorm to the north of the center of circulation. Julia's remains are being given a 10% chance of re-developing by NHC.

Hurricane Karl's moisture causing flooding in Minnesota, Wisconsin
A plume of very moist air associated with what was Hurricane Karl last week has surged northwards over the Central U.S. over the past two days. This moisture is now being lifted over a warm front draped over Minnesota and Wisconsin, and has generated flooding rains in excess of six inches in southern Minnesota this afternoon. Flood warnings and flood watches are posted for a wide swath of the upper Midwest today, including most of southern Minnesota, northern Wisconsin, and Michigan's Upper Peninsula. These types of rain events are called Predecessor Rain Events (PREs), because they typically precede the actual arrival of the rain shield of a tropical storm.


Figure 2. Radar estimated rainfall over Minnesota.

Next post
I'll have an update on TD 15 Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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901. Orcasystems 11:10 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting tropicfreak:


When I said we, I was refering to we Virginians, especially here in Richmond.


ROFLMAO, I was going to make a cheap shot on the location... but I don't know if they were with the North or the South... off to google I go.
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902. Levi32 11:10 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting sHaDySrEbElLiOn:


And on a side note, lets say land interaction is minimal with Matthew, how strong do you see Matthew getting before threatening the Continental U.S.?


Can't say what it would be like in the GOM yet, but assuming no land interaction it could easily become a major hurricane while in the NW Caribbean. After that some moderating factors would likely come into play.
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903. doorman79 11:11 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting HarryMc:

LOL. Nope. Actually I'm a rather plain straight talking old guy. But, not conservative enough this primary... stinks when you tell it like it is and stick to your principles and lose out by just a handful of votes... but, there's always 2012, not that far away. Good evening back to you.


Well, then you have two years to practice engineering :)
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904. AnthonyJKenn 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting SuperYooper:


Who said your whack? I think that is a very likely scenario.



Actually, I was talking about Tacoman's prediction of a TX landfall being whack. At least, IMHO.

Of course, I've made some whack predictions in my lifetime, so I'm not immune from criticism, either.


Anthony
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905. MrNatural 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Talk about the size of the "forecast cone". A toss at a dart board would be almost the same. About the only thing I feel comfortable saying is that Texas is not going to be affected by Hurricane Matthew. Right now, my primary focus is how rapidly TS Matthew intensifies and the impact it has on forward speed. I agree with the NHC that TS Matthew will not be a hurricane at this time tomorrow. For now, the ULL just to the NE is disrupting TS Matthew just enough too prevent it from rapidly intensifying over the next say, 24 hours. Until then, I will enjoy all the banter about this and that.











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906. Seflhurricane 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Can't say what it would be like in the GOM yet, but assuming no land interaction it could easily become a major hurricane while in the NW Caribbean. After that some moderating factors would likely come into play.
hey levi i truly think matthew will eventually end up in florida
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908. alcomat 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:


no
and why couldnt it go into the boc and stall? do I detect another florida wishcaster,or do you have an explanation to back up your theory? if the trough is as weak as they say it is,it wont go north to fla..jmo
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909. Levi32 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting Orcasystems:


Is it just me...or do a lot of the early and late models have this thing sitting off Belize/Cancun for days?


Yeah and that's what should have folks on the Yucatan very concerned. We're talking potentially feet of rain here if Matthew were to sit around there for just a couple days or more without moving much.
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911. kmanislander 11:12 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Good evening everyone

The steering from the high is already starting to break down some and I would not be surprised if the storm were to miss the N coast of Nicaragua / Honduras by a bigger margin than currently forecasted. You can see from the image below how the high has migrated to the East, retreated to the N and suffered erosion of the Western flank.

A track shift to the right is a possibility IMO.

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912. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:13 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Close-Up of TS Matthew's center...

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913. tropicfreak 11:13 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Definitely a stronger TS at 8pm IMO

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914. Orcasystems 11:13 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    



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915. CosmicEvents 11:13 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting roatangardener:
here is your foul weather friend again posting cause we seem to be in the path of matthew. folks here on roatan are already getting ready. the wind just picked up at my house on the south side of the island with the squalls out in front of matthew. will be on here for the next few days reporting what i see.
Very nice to see you again this year. It's unfortunate that we only meet and greet during the bad times. Keep in touch as you can. As always, be safe.
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916. doorman79 11:14 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Good evening everyone

The steering from the high is already starting to break down some and I would not be surprised if the storm were to miss the N coast of Nicaragua / Honduras by a bigger margin than currently forecasted. You can see from the image below how the high has migrated to the East, retreated to the N and suffered erosion of the Western flank.

A track shift to the right is a possibility IMO.



Not good for you:(
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917. Orcasystems 11:14 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Yeah and that's what should have folks on the Yucatan very concerned. We're talking potentially feet of rain here if Matthew were to sit around there for just a couple days or more without moving much.


I might be getting the hang of this yet... thats what was worrying me also.
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920. JRRP 11:14 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
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923. DDR 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting tropicfreak:


This is how bad we need the rain.


what state is that?
Let me send some rain your way...
Here in Trinidad i've got 517mm(20.34inches) for the month of September
120.26 inches since May 14th
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924. Hurricanes101 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting alcomat:
and why couldnt it go into the boc and stall? do I detect another florida wishcaster,or do you have an explanation to back up your theory? if the trough is as weak as they say it is,it wont go north to fla..jmo


who is saying the trough is weak? The forecasted trough is expected to be quite strong and reach into northern Florida
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925. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
sammy would i scare you if i said a c4 is not out of the question
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926. Tazmanian 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Good evening everyone

The steering from the high is already starting to break down some and I would not be surprised if the storm were to miss the N coast of Nicaragua / Honduras by a bigger margin than currently forecasted. You can see from the image below how the high has migrated to the East, retreated to the N and suffered erosion of the Western flank.

A track shift to the right is a possibility IMO.




ouch that means i may have a longer time overe water
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927. bswigg 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Bryan Norcross just scared all of south florida if they believe in what TWC has to say...said it is like Wilma...
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928. kmanislander 11:15 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting doorman79:


Not good for you:(


I don't think the shift will be that dramatic but it may be just enough to allow the storm to benefit from being over that really high TCHP.
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929. washingtonian115 11:16 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
The 8pm should be in soon.Have your f5 keys ready everyone?.
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930. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:16 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Matthew is strengthening...POLL TIME!

Q: at 8PM, how strong will Matthew be?

A. Weak TS (40-50 mph)
B. Moderate TS (51-60 mph)
C. Strong TS (10-70 mph)
D. HUrricane (Cat. 1+)

I vote A.) 50 mph
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933. Neapolitan 11:16 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting Cochise111:
Seems like an honest peer-reviewed study shows that arctic sea ice is at a greater extent than it has been in thousands of years.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/23/surprise-peer-reviewed-study-says-current-arctic-sea-ice-is-m ore-extensive-than-most-of-the-past-9000-years/#more-25249


I won't spend much time on this, what with two named storms swirling about, so I'll just say one thing: while the paper you referenced was received and published in September of 2008, earlier this summer several of that paper's authors retracted their summary and instead noted "The current reduction in Arctic ice cover started in the late 19th century, consistent with the rapidly warming climate, and [has] became very pronounced over the last three decades...This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and (is) unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities." (Not that I expect Watts to print that part.)

With that, back to the tropics... ;-)

(P.S. -- That paper--which Watts may not have read--is introduced thusly: "There is clear evidence that over the last 30 years the
Arctic has been experiencing dramatic environmental changes... Most notably, there has been a rapid decline in the
extent and thickness of sea-ice in summer and more recently in winter as well.")
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934. Tazmanian 11:16 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Matthew is strengthening...POLL TIME!

Q: at 8PM, how strong will Matthew be?

A. Weak TS (40-50 mph)
B. Moderate TS (51-60 mph)
C. Strong TS (10-70 mph)
D. HUrricane (Cat. 1 )

I vote A.) 50 mph



D
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935. UKHWatcher 11:17 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Still no comments on potential sub-tropical storm influence weather in W.Europe? Where is Cotillion when you need him?

Job vacancy obviously filled:

http://www.worshipperiod.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bouncer1.jpg
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939. roatangardener 11:17 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
lots of people have to look up roatan ;) last real threat we had was from felix and that didnt amount to anything. this looks and feels different. this time of year we look forward to the rain but could do without a trop storm or hurricane especially if it sits here for a few days
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941. wunderkidcayman 11:18 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Matthew COC looks to be at around 14.2N 77.5W
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944. weatherman566 11:18 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Levi-

I agree on all of the points you've made on Matthew. GFS is out on lunch at the moment. I honestly believe the models are not realizing that Matthew could be a stronger system than the model realizes. Models are not good when it comes to intensity, and the SST under Matthew are extremely warm. The stronger this storm becomes, the more WNW or NW movement will occur in my opinion.

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945. kmanislander 11:18 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting weatherman12345:

i agree. the high is already breaking down. also what do you think for the long range track for matthew


I don't like doing the long range thing but if, and I repeat if, this stalls in the Western Caribbean then the West coast of Florida anywhere from the Keys to about two thirds the way to the pan handle is where I would place the cone for now.
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947. tropicfreak 11:19 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting DDR:


what state is that?
Let me send some rain your way...
Here in Trinidad i've got 517mm(20.34inches) for the month of September
120.26 inches since May 14th


Virginia. I will gladly take that rain.
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949. Levi32 11:19 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Good evening everyone

The steering from the high is already starting to break down some and I would not be surprised if the storm were to miss the N coast of Nicaragua / Honduras by a bigger margin than currently forecasted. You can see from the image below how the high has migrated to the East, retreated to the N and suffered erosion of the Western flank.

A track shift to the right is a possibility IMO.



Hey Kman.

Let's hope not...that could end up in a rather potent storm in the NW Caribbean, as the further north the track is, the less land interaction Matthew will have to deal with.
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950. PalmBeachWeatherBoy 11:19 PM GMT op 23 september 2010    
wow this storm is sure to make the nhc forecasters work for their money, too unpredictable
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