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Lesser Antilles may see a tropical storm late this week
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:51 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010 +3
A concentrated area of intense thunderstorms near 9N 36W, midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, has become more organized this morning. NHC has labeled this system Invest 91L, and is giving it a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by 8am Tuesday. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 20 knots, sea surface temperatures are at record highs, and the dust and dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) are far enough to the north of 91L to potentially allow further development. The main negatives for development are the current phase of the Madden-Julian Oscillation, which favors downward motion over the tropical Atlantic, and the fact that 91L is too close to the Equator to take much advantage of the Earth's spin to get spinning. Last night's ASCAT pass of the region did show a large region of westerly winds south of 91L, indicating that a surface circulation is trying to form. Satellite imagery shows that the intensity and areal extent of 91L's heavy thunderstorms is increasing. However, there are no signs of a surface circulation, and low-level spiral bands and upper-level outflow are not apparent yet.

Forecast for 91L
There is strong model support for 91L developing into a tropical depression. The GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET models all develop 91L into a tropical depression by Tuesday or Wednesday. A west to west-northwest motion is predicted, and residents of the Lesser Antilles Islands should anticipate the possibility of a tropical storm arriving in the islands as early as Thursday. It is possible that 91L would pass northeast of the islands, as predicted by the UKMET model, and it is too early to speculate on which of the islands is at most risk. As the storm approaches the Lesser Antilles late this week, 91L will encounter a strong upper-level low pressure system centered north of Puerto Rico. This upper-level low will likely bring high levels of wind shear to the waters just north of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. Thus, if 91L stays to the south, in the Caribbean, it is far more likely to attain hurricane status than if it pushes north of the Caribbean. As always, long range forecasts of this sort are speculative, and it is too early to reliably say what the long-term risks of 91L becoming a hurricane are. The latest intensity forecast from the SHIPS model shows 91L peaking in strength four days from now, then weakening as it encounters the high wind shear area north of Puerto Rico.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 91L.

Next update
I'll have an update Monday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1551. LBU1 8:59 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting bwt1982:
Really worried for Bermuda with this storm! We lucked out here in Florida again! Whoop whoop!


Really!
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1554. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 8:59 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
X
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1555. stormpetrol 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting portcharlotte:
Disagree politely...You will see many bahamian cruisers this year unless you are in the caribbean and are a wishcaster! The Bermuda High's position (mean position) will allow more wnw courses this year. Many forecasters have pointed this out. Bonnie already gave us a hint.


No problem, just my opinion or you have yours, no wishcasting on my part. I had my taste and more of what destructive hurricanes can do, just watch, wait and see, we'll find who's right or wrong soon enough!
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1557. Relix 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Looking impressive to be honest. Definitely a TD at this point. I am quite confident in the model consensus of it going north of PR so I am honestly not that worried at all about the system here. Might leave some rains and of course lots of heat. To pinpoint my island is a feat only a few hurricanes every decade or so can make haha. As I said, confident, but watchful. Especially since it's getting stronger than anticipated a more WNW course is expected.
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1558. Tazmanian 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
dont turst any mode runs in tell the storm is at 55W
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1559. Snowlover123 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting ironbark:
the models are all over the place.its a safe bet to say anybody from georgia to south texas should monitor the developing storm.


....

Further NORTH of Georgia should monitor this system. I think it's all clear from the GOMEX, IMHO.
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1560. Goldenblack 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
You are right...I should just shake my head and move on...

Quoting CaneBeast2010:


brah, just ignore him
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1561. Levi32 9:00 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
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1564. bwt1982 9:02 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:
So, I guess we may have a East coat or fish strom.....



Dont say the dreaded F word on here...The wishcasters hate fish storms. With that being said I do agree that that is a fish storm or headed to Bermuda possibly. That was my thinking all along and the models are starting to verify that!
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1565. fire635 9:03 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting bwt1982:
Really worried for Bermuda with this storm! We lucked out here in Florida again! Whoop whoop!


Its a little early to write off anything..no?
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1566. bappit 9:03 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Greatest 850mb vorticity is not under the convection on the right. CIMSS maps can be wrong when low-level clouds cannot be observed well by satellite. They fill in with numerical model data and it becomes unreliable. The CIMSS maps don't even agree with themselves sometimes.

Observe....the "Regular" 18z vort map:



And the rapid-scan one for 18z:



See the difference?

The "regular" map is more accurate in this case. The highest vorticity on that map is closer to the western area of convection and is near 11.5N, 35W on the CIMSS map, which may still be a little too far east, but it's better than the map you're looking at.

The ascat confirmed the location of max vorticity.
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1568. GBguy88 9:04 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
We hit 104 degrees in Pensacola today. Sitting at 102 right now. Good grief.
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1570. MiamiHurricanes09 9:05 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting bappit:

It is still disorganized. That's why it is not upgraded.
What are you looking at? 91L has a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection. Satellite estimates also are worthy of tropical depression classification.
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1571. ssmate 9:05 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting FLdewey:
I think it's going somewhere west of where it is now for certain.
Are you kidding? Nothing is certain right now.
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1572. nash28 9:05 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Oh boy...

Let the fighting begin. And many wonder why I only observe here anymore.. This thing is over a week away from the US and already the bickering begins on landfall.

It is STILL fighting the ITCZ. Take a pill. Enough of the "it's gonna hit here, cause I want it to hit here to feel important" forecasts. Pay attention to those folks here who know what they are doing...

Weatherguy03
StormW
Levi
Drakoen
Weather456

I would include myself in the list, but I really have no interest in posting obs here much anymore because of all of the infantile nonsense.

When and if things get sticky, I'll do that on my own blog.
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1573. Goldenblack 9:05 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
it is a long way out....but I'd believe the patterns of the ECMWF, which have performed better recently on track, than those of the GFS or HWRF which have had a poleward bias to every storm this year, and are again, wanted to push this storm east, or up the east coast. It is a possibility though....long way to go.

Quoting btwntx08:
hmmm ecmwf 12z at 240 hr
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1575. Goldenblack 9:06 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
laughs

Quoting nash28:
Oh boy...

Let the fighting begin. And many wonder why I only observe here anymore.. This thing is over a week away from the US and already the bickering begins on landfall.

It is STILL fighting the ITCZ. We don't even have a closed low yet. Take a pill. Enough of the "it's gonna hit here, cause I want it to hit here to feel important" forecasts. Pay attention to those folks here who know what they are doing...

Weatherguy03
StormW
Levi
Drakoen
Weather456

I would include myself in the list, but I really have no interest in posting obs here much anymore because of all of the infantile nonsense.

When and if things get sticky, I'll do that on my own blog.
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1576. spathy 9:07 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting ssmate:
Are you kidding? Nothing is certain right now.

Quoting FLdewey:
I think it's going somewhere west of where it is now for certain.

Not sure what quote is funnier.
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1577. RainyEyes 9:08 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Wasn't it 2007 that we had quite a few storms develop in the same area and head straight to mexico on a straight path? A few storms hit Jamaica that year too, but the point is that most stayed south. How would I go about looking up the data from that year (looking at steering) and comparing it to this year? Thnx
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1578. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:08 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
REQUIREMENTS FOR Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert

If a system gets 35 to 38 points, a TCFA may be issued depending on Dvorak trends, and if a system gets 39 points or more a TCFA should be issued.

Surface
Condition Points
A circulation is evident using visible satellite, shortwave infrared, microwave imagery or QuikSCAT/Windsat ambiguities 3 points A circulation has been evident for at least 24 hours 5 points
A westerly surface- or gradient-level wind of 5 kt that is within 200 nm (370 km, 230 mi) south of the centre of the disturbance 5 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 20 kt 2 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 25 kt 3 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 30 kt 4 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has reported had a pressure drop of 2 mb over 24 hours 3 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has had a pressure drop of 3 mb over 24 hours 4 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is less than 1010 to 1009 mb 3 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is 1008 mb or less 4 points

500 mb height
Condition Points
There is evidence of at least an inverted trough 2 points
There is evidence of a closed circulation in the system 4 points

200 mb height
Condition Points
Westerly flow of at least 15 kt over the disturbance -4 points
There is evidence of anticyclonic outflow over the centre of the disturbance 4 points
Easterly flow of at most 20 kt over the disturbance 3 points

Sea surface temperature
Condition Points
The sea surface temperature is 26 Celsius (78.8 Fahrenheit) or higher 3 points

Satellite data
Condition Points
The system has persisted for at least 24 hours 3 points
The system has persisted for at least 48 hours 4 points
The system has persisted for at least 72 hours 5 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.0 to T1.5 from all three agencies (TAFB, SAB, AFWA) 3 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.5 to T2.0 from all three agencies 5 points
The Dvorak final-T number has decreased by T0.5 to T1.0 from two or more agencies -2 points

Miscellaneous
Condition Points
The cloud system is north (or south) of 5 degrees latitude 3 points
The tropical system is within 72 hours of reaching a Department of Defense resource 3 points
The cloud system center and the satellite centre fixes for the system are within 2 degrees of each other 2 points
**********************************************************
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1580. Snowlover123 9:08 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
What are you looking at? 91L has a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection. Satellite estimates also are worthy of tropical depression classification.


I think that the NHC is waiting to 8 pm in order to upgrade anything.
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1581. bappit 9:09 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting StormW:


One tell tale sign is, look how the system makes an "S" shape, follow the "bands" in on the S, and where they meet.

Karma. Cirro posted this right after you.



It seems to show an S shape like you mention. Can that be attributed to the upper level anticyclone? Something has to be making the S shape appear in multiple cases of development and the upper level anticyclone seems to be a likely cause.

The convection to the east seems to be gaining on the upper level circulation. I'll go with it and use the ascat for surface traction. That's assuming something develops. If the anticyclone pulls up convection outside the area of the pouch, then dry air may well get drawn in which will quash the whole deal.
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1582. Gorty 9:10 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting GBguy88:
We hit 104 degrees in Pensacola today. Sitting at 102 right now. Good grief.


Come up north here. 79 degrees currently.
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1584. Stoopid1 9:10 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Looks like 91L could be a depression by morning, especially if it takes advantage of the Dimax. Could be an interesting storm to track.
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1585. DaytonaBeachWatcher 9:11 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    

1552. CaneBeast2010
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why dont they just ban him again
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1586. RainyEyes 9:11 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
that would be awesome stormw, do they have archived info?
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1588. xcool 9:11 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
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1589. Tazmanian 9:12 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:

1552. CaneBeast2010
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why dont they just ban him again



works for me
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1590. nash28 9:12 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting TxMarc71:

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My point made again... How can anyone possibly say with any scientific certainty "it was my thinking all along" when we don't even have a developed system to track yet?

C'mon.
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1591. BaltOCane 9:12 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
KOTG~~

I got 40
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1594. xcool 9:13 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
READ MY POSTING
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1595. msgambler 9:14 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting nash28:


My point made again... How can anyone possibly say with any scientific certainty "it was my thinking all along" when we don't even have a developed system to track yet?

C'mon.
Your words are falling on mostly deaf ears but sure would like to see you back like years before.
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1596. hunkerdown 9:14 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
What are you looking at? 91L has a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection. Satellite estimates also are worthy of tropical depression classification.
look at who you are responding to and his/her usual responses...it is not really worth responding to them as you are just wasting your time.
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1597. IKE 9:14 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting GBguy88:
We hit 104 degrees in Pensacola today. Sitting at 102 right now. Good grief.


My temperature gauge in my Ford Focus showed 105 degrees outside.
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1598. wunderkidcayman 9:14 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
hey KEEPEROFTHEGATE well if I am seeing this the way that you are thebold is what 91L has well if that is so 91L has met the requrerments for TCFA 37 points
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1599. jurakantaino 9:14 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting Relix:
Looking impressive to be honest. Definitely a TD at this point. I am quite confident in the model consensus of it going north of PR so I am honestly not that worried at all about the system here. Might leave some rains and of course lots of heat. To pinpoint my island is a feat only a few hurricanes every decade or so can make haha. As I said, confident, but watchful. Especially since it's getting stronger than anticipated a more WNW course is expected.I'M IN Puerto Rico models seems to have a northward tendency but we can't leave our guards down, any little wobble to the left could puts us in jeopardy ,specially if it turn to be a large strong system.
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1600. ironbark 9:15 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
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1601. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:15 PM GMT op 01 augustus 2010    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:

1552. CaneBeast2010
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why dont they just ban him again
because its just a waste of time different approach for different folks he will be back again and again hes the wunder ground stalker
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