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Alex is gone; the tropics are relatively quiet
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:55 PM GMT op 02 juli 2010 +2
Hurricane Alex is gone, killed by the high mountains of northern Mexico. Alex's rains linger on, and will continue to cause flooding problems in northern Mexico today. Alex killed at least 24 people in its week-long traverse of the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. One death occurred in the Dominican Republic, and fourteen were killed in Central America. In Mexico, the outer rainbands of the storm killed three in Acapulco, one person in Oaxaca, and one person in Chiapas. Following its final landfall, Alex caused at least eight deaths in Nuevo León, with three persons reported missing. It is possible Alex will have its named retired, though I think it unlikely. One of the countries substantially affected by a hurricane must make a request to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to have the hurricane's name required. Mexico was the country most affected by Alex, and Mexico has been reluctant to make retirement requests in the past. For example, Mexico suffered two landfalls from Category 5 Hurricane Emily in 2005, yet did not request that Emily's name be retired; there will be a new storm named Emily next year.

I hope Alex will give the officials in charge of the BP oil disaster a bit of a wake up call. We've been told that five days are required to shut down operations in the event of tropical storm force winds are forecast for the clean-up region. It is very unrealistic to expect a five day warning, since the average track error in a 5-day forecast is about 300 miles. Furthermore, we have little skill forecasting the formation of tropical storms, and it is often the case that a tropical storm forms just a 1-day journey from the Deepwater Horizon blowout location. If we examine the incidence of tropical storm force winds in that region over the past five years, I suspect that they were successfully predicted five days in advance perhaps 30% of the time.


Figure 1. Microwave satellite image of Alex at landfall. Image credit: Navy Research Lab.

The tropics are relatively quiet
A cold front that pushed off the Southeastern U.S. and Gulf Coast has stalled out over the waters immediately offshore. Some of the models give support for an area of weak low pressure to develop over the northern Gulf of Mexico along this front. NHC is giving a 10% chance of a tropical depression forming by 8am Sunday over the northern Gulf of Mexico. The GFS model is also indicating development may occur by the middle of next week along the portion of the front offshore from South Carolina. There is also some suggestion by several models that a strong tropical disturbance may form by the middle of next week in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, or in the Western Caribbean. At this point, none of these possibilities are worthy of significant concern, though we'll keep to keep an eye on them.

I'll have an update Saturday afternoon. Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters
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2451. extreme236 4:44 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:


And CMC/GEM


Yup that too.
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2452. Bordonaro 4:44 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:
I think there was someone who posted something yesterday about a model or some models developing a storm/hurricane in the Carribean and bringing it to south TX (CC area I assume). Are they still hinting at that?

Yes, they are. The NWS Area Forecast Discussion out of Dallas-Ft Worth, TX even mentioned it earlier this morning. Area Forecast Discussions out of Brownsville, TX & Houston, TX mention the tropical wave, i.e. inverted trough, but mention NOTHING about development!
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2453. MrstormX 4:44 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Is that 3 systems at once?

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2454. Jedkins01 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:


I was thinking the same thing..it's nice being 84º & all but if we don't get some break in the clouds & heating we probably won't see any rain.. I feel ya on the east side of I-95..the brown grass is beginning to wilt my mood.


Brown grass? I'm having to cut my grass every 2 days over here in Clearwater, seems like we can't go any longer then 12 hours without a torrential downpour, Ive had over 7 inches of rain since monday!
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2455. MiamiHurricanes09 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


Take a look at the 12z NAM and GFS. Shows a disturbance east of Florida. Neither do much with it, but interesting nonetheless.
Oh, I see it better on the NAM rather than the GFS but yeah, seems very weak. A thing I'm more interested in is the showers and thunderstorms in the central Caribbean that the ECMWF has been picking on for several runs now, eventually takes it to TS status in the BOC.
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2456. atmoaggie 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Agwaccaphobics are at it again. You can't extrapolate from one data point to the world.
??? I agree completely. But that is exactly what exists in our "historical" SSTs, and such, before satellites and is used all the time in anomaly calculations and trends.

(not defending the original comment...)
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2457. nrtiwlnvragn 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Operational GFS has been consistent, 3 of the last 4 runs bringing a system to the SE coast.


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2458. extreme236 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:
Is that 3 systems at once?



Yeah, the CMC spins up 3.
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2459. AstroHurricane001 4:45 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:
Is that 3 systems at once?



Yes, CMC seems to be hinting at the merger of two systems over the Gulf Stream from Fujiwara and a landfall possibly near NYC.
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2460. 7544 4:46 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


Take a look at the 12z NAM and GFS. Shows a disturbance east of Florida. Neither do much with it, but interesting nonetheless.
c

cmc goes back and forth to fla u judge lol

Link
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2461. Snowlover123 4:46 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Good Afternoon! Invest 95L looks better organized than it did yesterday...

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2462. extreme236 4:46 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Operational GFS has been consistent, 3 of the last 4 runs bringing a system to the SE coast.




Definitely something to keep an eye out for. Looks like it would form from the same boundary that spawned 95L.
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2463. TexasHurricane 4:47 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:
Is that 3 systems at once?



You have a link to that so I can see it bigger? Thanks
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2464. AstroHurricane001 4:47 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
??? I agree completely. But that is exactly what exists in our "historical" SSTs, and such, before satellites and is used all the time in anomaly calculations and trends.

(not defending the original comment...)


They would have to use more than one data point to get proxy data, as there is more than one ocean.
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2465. TexasHurricane 4:47 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Bordonaro:

Yes, they are. The NWS Area Forecast Discussion out of Dallas-Ft WOrth, TX even mentioned it earlier this morning.


hmmmm ok. Thanks
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2466. Levi32 4:47 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
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2467. MiamiHurricanes09 4:48 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


Yeah, the CMC spins up 3.
The most likely to develop are the one hitting Texas which current is the showers and thunderstorms in the Caribbean and the one just east of Florida because it seems to be a classic trough split scenario.
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2468. IKE 4:48 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
NAM takes 95L in around SE LA with moisture to it's east at 54 hours...




Then at 84 hours has a small low east of Florida...




The 12Z NOGAPS takes a vorticity w/95L in around SE LA...and takes a stronger vorticity east of Florida...WNW...crossing north Florida.
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2469. MiamiHurricanes09 4:49 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Good morning all.

Tropical Tidbit for Saturday, June 3rd, with Video
Well I'll be back after I check out the video...
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2470. TexasHurricane 4:49 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:
Good Afternoon! Invest 95L looks better organized than it did yesterday...



It does kinda look like it is trying to get a spin to it - or is it just me?
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2471. MrstormX 4:49 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Yes, CMC seems to be hinting at the merger of two systems over the Gulf Stream from Fujiwara and a landfall possibly near NYC.


Ahh two systems dancing the Fujiwara, that would be a sight to see. But probably the most likely storm would be the BOC system, since the EMCWF picks it up as well. I better save this image... as I suspect if one of these systems does occur the EMCWF will take full credit, when really the CMC was verifying as well..
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2472. Snowlover123 4:49 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting IKE:
NAM takes 95L in around SE LA with moisture to it's east at 54 hours...




Then at 84 hours has a small low east of Florida...




The 12Z NOGAPS takes a vorticity w/95L in around SE LA...and takes a stronger vorticity east of Florida...WNW...crossing north Florida.


What's that near the Yucatan?
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2473. Patrap 4:49 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
1004 mb low in the BOC as well Ike.

thats the interesting bugger to watch.


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2474. MrstormX 4:50 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Ohh so NAM is also picking up another BOC system.
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2475. Snowlover123 4:50 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


It does kinda look like it is trying to get a spin to it - or is it just me?


Yes. Yesterday it had no spin at all. It looks better than it did this morning.
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2476. AllWeatherFriend 4:51 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Invest 95 L is so close to Gulf Coast that I doubt it can really get going until it has passed the western end of Louisiana. Wonder if there is a chance for it to be come Bonnie at all?
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2477. calder 4:51 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:
Good Afternoon! Invest 95L looks better organized than it did yesterday...



disagree, 95L doesn't look as if it will be a threat to organise tropically. Gulf coast should monitor it's progress and any effects on the spill...
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2478. Bordonaro 4:51 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
1004 mb low in the BOC as well Ike

Next week that tropical wave moving into the BOC may develop into a TS or worse, just my opinion.
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2479. Patrap 4:51 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:


Yes. Yesterday it had no spin at all. It looks better than it did this morning.



95L has always had good Vorticity since it was over The Fla Panhandle..yesterday
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2480. IKE 4:51 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:


What's that near the Yucatan?


Central Caribbean wave. I think it's too strong with it. Maybe I'm wrong.
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2481. MrstormX 4:52 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


You have a link to that so I can see it bigger? Thanks


Link
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2482. Patrap 4:54 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
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2483. Snowlover123 4:55 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Patrap:



95L has always had good Vorticity since it was over The Fla Panhandle..yesterday


Upper level winds are still unfavorable for development, but are slowing down.

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2484. extreme236 4:55 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:


Upper level winds are still unfavorable for development, but are slowing down.



Perhaps even more notable is the decreasing shear in the Caribbean for the possible Caribbean system.
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2485. Tazmanian 4:55 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
so when 96L
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2486. Snowlover123 4:56 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Central Caribbean wave. I think it's too strong with it. Maybe I'm wrong.


Has nice convection with it, and will be moving in a favorable environment.
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2487. Snowlover123 4:56 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


Perhaps even more notable is the decreasing shear in the Caribbean for the possible Caribbean system.


Yes. I think that it will be acknowledged in the next TWO by the NHC.
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2488. Patrap 4:57 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
95L is now in a Favorable environment, as well as a Good Mid Gulf postion SST wise.

Convection has been firing on the right side of the Circ all morning..

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2489. MrstormX 4:58 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
...SMALL LOW PRESSURE CENTER DRIFTING WESTWARD ACROSS THE NORTHERN
GULF OF MEXICO
...

PREFERENCE: 00Z UKMET

THE 12Z NAM IS INITIALLY ON THE FASTER END OF THE MDL SPECTRUM
WITH THE WWD MOTION OF THIS SFC LOW OVER THE NRN GULF OF MEXICO.
THE 00Z UKMET IS ONLY A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE NAM...WITH THE 12Z
GFS AND 00Z ECMWF THE SLOWEST. HOWEVER...BY 36 HRS AND BEYOND THE
NAM BEGINS STRENGTHENING THE LOW TO A DEGREE THAT IT SLOWS DOWN
AND MAKES THE 00Z UKMET THE FASTEST. BY DAY 2/3...THE 00Z
ECMWF/12Z NAM SOLNS BECOME THE SLOWEST AND ALSO THE FARTHEST NORTH
WITH A LOW STAMP JUST SOUTH OF THE MOUTH OF THE MS RIVER. THE 12Z
GFS DOES ACCELERATE ITS WAVE...BUT MAY BE A TAD TOO FAR NORTH BY
DAY 3. BASED ON CURRENT OBSERVATIONS...MOST OF THE MDLS MAY
ALREADY BE TOO SLOW...AND SO WILL PREFER THE FASTER AND SOMEWHAT
MORE SRLY LOW TRACK OF THE UKMET...WHICH WILL FURTHER CREDIT THE
STRENGTH OF THE LOW TO MID LVL RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF THIS SYS.

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2490. extreme236 4:59 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
I'm interested in hearing what the NHC says about 95L now. It does look better than it's ever looked.
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2491. AstroHurricane001 4:59 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Finally, we can get an accurate size comparison of storms at/near landfall.

Emily 2005 (cat. 3):


Rita 2005 (cat. 3):


Dolly 2008 (strong cat. 1):


Ike 2008 (cat. 2):


Alex 2010 (cat. 2?):


Hmm...notice anything?
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2492. MiamiHurricanes09 5:01 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Just came back from watching Levi's video, I think everyone should check it out because it basically clearly explains all the systems all the models are developing. Props out to Levi.
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2493. Tazmanian 5:03 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting extreme236:
I'm interested in hearing what the NHC says about 95L now. It does look better than it's ever looked.



yup
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2494. Skyepony (Mod) 5:03 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:


Brown grass? I'm having to cut my grass every 2 days over here in Clearwater, seems like we can't go any longer then 12 hours without a torrential downpour, Ive had over 7 inches of rain since monday!


You inlanders & Palm Bay Are hoggin it all! Melbourne & Beachside have dried up..

FLDewey~ I miss those days too. They seem to be gone since Melbourne & points just North was asphalted over. It's like we get the constant east wind which splits North & South somewhere around Lake Washington/St Johns & comes back to collide & pour over Palm Bay/Malabar & Mims.
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2495. Tazmanian 5:05 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (GULF COAST)
FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 70
A. 03/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01BBA INVEST
C. 03/1700Z
D. 28.5N 86.5W
E. 03/1730Z TO 03/2130Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO - TEAL 71
A. 04/0600Z
B. AFXXX 0202A CYCLONE
C. 04/0445Z
D. 28.0N 87.0W
E. 04/0515Z TO 04/0930Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: BEGIN 6-HRLY FIXES
AT 04/1800Z IF SYSTEM DEVELOPS.

II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
JWP


looks like there going out today
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2496. MrstormX 5:05 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
HPC official forecast for 95L

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2497. TexasHurricane 5:05 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Just came back from watching Levi's video, I think everyone should check it out because it basically clearly explains all the systems all the models are developing. Props out to Levi.


link please.
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2498. extreme236 5:06 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
2495.

They canceled it.
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2499. MiamiHurricanes09 5:06 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


link please.
Post #2466.
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2500. Patrap 5:06 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Eeeei-ee


A real tropical Gully Washer in Uptown Nola right now.

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2501. Levi32 5:06 PM GMT op 03 juli 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


link please.


Tropical Tidbit for Saturday, July 3rd, with Video

Thanks MH09.
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