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Europe braces for destructive weekend winter storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:05 PM GMT op 24 februari 2010 +4
A large but disorganized extratropical storm located over the middle-Atlantic Ocean is expected to move rapidly eastwards towards Spain over the next two days. As the storm approaches Spain on Friday, it is expected to tap into a cold polar airmass to its north and rapidly intensify into a meteorological "bomb"--a mighty winter cyclone with hurricane force winds. Though sea surface temperatures off the coast of Spain are about 1°C below average, the waters of 12 - 16°C will provide plenty of moisture and energy to the powerful storm, which may end up rivaling last year's Winter Storm Klaus in intensity. Klaus, which hit northern Spain and southwest France January 23 - 25, was Earth's most costly natural disaster of 2009, causing $5.1 billion in damage and killing 26. Klaus peaked in intensity at 967 mb, and brought wind gusts of 120 mph (193 km/hr) to Formiguères, France, 125 mph (200 km/hr) to Portbou, Spain, and 134 mph (216 km/hr) to Port d'Envalira, Andorra.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of the Atlantic at 8am EST Wednesday, February 24, 2010. A developing extratropical cyclone over the middle Atlantic threatens to bring hurricane-force wind gusts to Spain and Portugal on Saturday. Meanwhile, a snowstorm over the New England is dumping heavy snows there. Image credit: NASA GSFC GOES project.

This Saturday's storm is expected to follow a track very similar to Klaus, reaching maximum intensity at 18 GMT Saturday as it passes just north of Spain and Portugal (Figure 2). If the storm tracks near or over the northwest corner of Spain as most of the models are predicting, the cyclone's powerful cold front will likely bring sustained winds of 50 - 60 mph with damaging hurricane-force wind gusts and flooding rains to northern Spain and Portugal. The latest 06Z (1am EST) run of the GFS model predicts that this weekend's storm will bottom out at a pressure of 968 mb, about the same minimum pressure achieved by last year's destructive Winter Storm Klaus (967 mb). The latest 06Z run of the Navy NOGAPS model is more aggressive, deepening the storm into a 948 mb monster that misses Spain by several hundred miles, but comes ashore over Ireland Sunday morning with a pressure of 956 mb. This is a central pressure typically found in Category 2 hurricanes! (Note, though, that extratropical systems generally do not generate winds as strong as a hurricane with a similar central pressure, since extratropical storms do not form an eyewall with extreme winds like a hurricane does). The NOGAPS is currently an outlier, though, and the other models such as the ECMWF, Canadian, and UKMET do not foresee the storm getting that intense. Even so, this weekend's storm has the potential to be a multi-billion dollar weather disaster for Europe.




Figure 2. Forecast from the 1am EST 2/24/10 run of the GFS model for 18 GMT Saturday for mean sea level pressure and 6-hour precipitation (top) and surface winds (bottom). The GFS is predicting that Saturday's storm will peak in intensity at this time with a pressure below 968 mb. Sustained winds of 70 - 75 mph (yellow green colors in bottom plot) are expected just offshore of Portugal. Images generated using our wundermap for Spain with the "model" layer turned on.

The winter storm-fest continues for the U.S.
This winter's relentless winter storm-fest over the U.S. continues this week, with a powerful cyclone over the Northeast U.S. expected to bring 2 - 3 feet of snow to the mountains of New Hampshire and Vermont. The storm is wrapping in too much warm air to bring heavy snow to the major cities along the coast, where most of the precipitation will fall as rain. Next Tuesday, a powerful low pressure system is expected to bring heavy rains to Florida, with the possibility of snow falling in northern Georgia and surrounding regions.

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My next post will be Thursday or Friday.

Jeff Masters
Tons (jgo)
Stormy weather in Porto, Portugal. Actually all north coast of Portugal is on the alert. Tons of water in this wave.
Tons
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302. AussieStorm 1:31 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
5 - 1 Canada
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303. GeoffreyWPB 1:31 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Putin is getting PO'D!
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304. AussieStorm 1:33 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:
5 - 1 Canada

6 - 1
Is there a mercy rule in Ice Hockey?
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305. AussieStorm 1:34 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:

6 - 1
Is there a mercy rule in Ice Hockey?

6 - 2 Canada
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306. Seastep 1:34 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
LOL..the data dont lie Jed baby..



Absolutely correct, Patrap. An accurate data set doesn't lie.

Something changed in 1998. Pretty flat before and pretty flat after. All years are at or below 1997 before and all are at or above after. A new "normal" happened in a single year.

Based on 1979-1997 sat temps, and I also took a peek at some of the GISS temp data for kicks and will be doing a full blog on that, I predict this new normal should be around until 2019, based on initial analysis back to 1957, and then a new "normal" materializes. Up or down.

More detailed blog entry to follow.

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307. Bordonaro 1:44 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
18Z GFSRUN SURFACE MAP @30HRS, FR 2/26/10 00Z
977MB BOMB JUST S OF LI, NY:

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308. GeoffreyWPB 1:48 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Down to DEFCON 4.
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309. weatherbro 1:50 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Fire weather...red flag warning Thursday due to long periods of
relative humidity values below 35 percent and strong 20 foot wind.


Dewpoints across ecentral Florida are expected to bottom out in the single digits tomorrow. With temps in the mid-upper 50's, relative humidities could also go to the aughts(though more likely around 10-15%).

However due to recent rains, I seriously doubt it'll be a problem.

The criteria should be as 25% or lower(not 35%-) for a watch or warning like pretty much every other state(I think Texas also has this dilemma).
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310. Ossqss 1:58 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Down to DEFCON 4.




:)
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311. AwakeInMaryland 2:01 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Down to DEFCON 4.

Geoffrey Hill reciting "The Storm"



(Geoff, I was just fooling around with your name and you weather, and found this ... I don't think the poet is talking about weather, though, but a woman!?! Need to find a transcript...)

From poemhunter.com:

Regarding both his style and subject, Hill is often described as a "difficult" poet. He makes circumspect use of traditional rhetoric (as well as that of modernism), but he also transcribes the idioms of public life, such as those of television, political sloganeering, and punditry. Hill has been consistently drawn to morally problematic and violent episodes in British and European history, though it should be noted that his accounts of landscape (especially that of his native Worcestershire) are as intense as his encounters with history. (He has written perhaps the most important poetic responses to the Holocaust in English, 'Two Formal Elegies', 'September Song' and 'Ovid in the Third Reich'.) In an interview in The Paris Review (2000), which published Hill's early poem 'Genesis' when he was still at Oxford, Hill defended the right of poets to difficulty as a form of resistance to the demeaning simplifications imposed by 'maestros of the world'. Hill also argued that to be difficult is to be democratic, equating the demand for simplicity with the demands of tyrants.
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312. drg0dOwnCountry 2:04 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Anyone who is confused with the recent media coverage should read

Close Encounters of the Absurd Kind
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/close-encounters-of-the-absurd-kind/#comment- 162809
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313. Ossqss 2:07 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    


:)
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314. AwakeInMaryland 2:11 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
The Climate Change debate is definitely Theatre of the Absurd; no matter where one stands!

"Current National Threat Level is elevated
The threat level in the airline sector is High or Orange..."
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315. pottery 2:19 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Good evening.
The temp. in Trinidad peaked at 96.8 F at the airport today.
I believe that there has never been a hotter day here.
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316. GeoffreyWPB 2:30 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Anyone who missed Keith Olbermann's Special Comment On Health Care Reform tonight...should listen to it when it is released online. Forget Republican or Democrat...just listen.
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317. spathy 2:30 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Post #315

Where is the thermometer and what has been built around it from the time it was installed?
And is the reading of temp automatic or from human whims?

Important questions don't you think given recent temp. reading simple mistakes.
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318. AwakeInMaryland 2:30 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
POTTERY!!!

Joining the discussion, re Theatre of the Climate of the Absurd, aka Defcon 5?
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319. spathy 2:33 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
BTW
#317 kinda a rhetorical question.

Just Spathy being Spathy.
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320. AwakeInMaryland 2:34 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Anyone who missed Keith Olbermann's Special Comment On Health Care Reform tonight...should listen to it when it is released online. Forget Republican or Democrat...just listen.

Did you see the pome I dedicated to you, #311?
Pleez 'splain it to me if you can make it out, lol!
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321. AstroHurricane001 2:40 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting Seastep:


Absolutely correct, Patrap. An accurate data set doesn't lie.

Something changed in 1998. Pretty flat before and pretty flat after. All years are at or below 1997 before and all are at or above after. A new "normal" happened in a single year.

Based on 1979-1997 sat temps, and I also took a peak at some of the GISS temp data for kicks and will be doing a full blog on that, I predict this new normal should be around until 2019, based on initial analysis back to 1957, and then a new "normal" materializes. Up or down.

More detailed blog entry to follow.



If you do that same horizontal line TRICK for 2010 onward, then we are already at a spot that would be almost two jumps above the first one you made to represent the new "normal" from 1998 onward, in order to hide the increase.
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322. AstroHurricane001 2:43 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
A big flare-up is developing in the Caribbean. It just brushed over the Cayman Islands, and is now heading for Jamaica, then if it makes past then it will move on to Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and into the open Atlantic. It actually has some chance to develop possibly into a subtropical or extratropical storm given the 26C waters, and it could also move on to become a winter storm for Europe like the other storm that's developing northeast of the Lesser Antilles.

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323. AstroHurricane001 2:46 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting Bordonaro:
18Z GFSRUN SURFACE MAP @30HRS, FR 2/26/10 00Z
977MB BOMB JUST S OF LI, NY:



It looks like this storm will give us about 25 cm of snow within 72 hours. However the last major storm we had was out in Nova Scotia when the snowsqualls hit and while it was only predicted to drop 10 cm, it dumped 25 cm overnight over my location. This storm looks like it will be closer to us at peak strength as well as head closer to us later, and it could be even stronger so could we perhaps more than a foot of snow?!

Now THIS looks like an amazing storm for March 10! GFS dumps over half an inch of rainwater equivalent over my location. GFS 18z @ 336h:



GFS only gives us 25 cm of snow (8 in) with that storm but 40 cm (16 in) with the current storm. WOW!
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324. GeoffreyWPB 2:47 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
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325. pottery 2:49 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Hi Spathy.
I dont mind you being annoying at all! heheheheh
Actually, the weather station has been in the same location for about 60 years, about 50 yds from the nearest highway, and mostly surrounded by grass.
Now!!! I was flying from Tobago at 5:00 pm and noted a lot of fires. So PERHAPS there was one just upwind from the station.
Type 'PIARCO' in the search box above to look at this stations history.
Also, the thermometer on my patio hit 97 today as well. But there were certainly fires around here today. Nearly drove my wife mad.

I am going to call the Met. Office in the morning to clear the thing up though!
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326. Orcasystems 2:57 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
NEXT :)
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327. Orcasystems 3:06 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Good day for Canada

Bronze in 5000 meter womans long track Skating
Silver in 3000 meter womans short track Relay
Gold and Silver in Womans 2 man Bobsled
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328. drg0dOwnCountry 3:06 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Captain of floating university: Sudden 'microburst' knocked ship onto side off Brazilian coast

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — A sudden, vertical blast of wind knocked the three-masted SV Concordia onto its side in 15 seconds, forcing the captain and four dozen students to abandon ship and ride out heavy seas for nearly two days before their rescue off Brazil's Atlantic coast, the survivors said Saturday.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h20Q93zGC5Vb8vHvbsuC6O8tTTnA

Wind causes damage in Manatee County
Bradenton, Florida - Some residents in a Bradenton neighborhood are cleaning up after what local emergency officials are calling a small tornado.

The National Weather Service says it was actually a microburst that blew through the neighborhood with 50 mph winds.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=125158&catid=8
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329. BahaHurican 3:15 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Hey all.

Still raining here, with some serious downpours and even thunder / lightning again this evening (2nd time today). Our record high of 90 was set in 2008, but that 96 for Trinidad seems wild at any time of the year, much less late February. Pottery, what's the all-time record high temp for that area / station?

This weather is soooooo weird for this time of year. Our average is usually clear / sunny with temps around 80; this volume and intensity of moisture is really outside the norm. I think I will check in with our own met office tomorrow to find out if we've broken rainfall records..... I'm fairly sure we have....
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330. Patrap 3:27 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Snow cover stretched from South Dakota’s Mt. Rushmore to Arizona’s Grand Canyon in late February 2010, after snowstorms blanketed the Rocky Mountains.

Mostly cloud-free skies allowed the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Terra satellite this largely unobstructed view of the western continental United States on February 23, 2010.

From northern New Mexico, the Rocky Mountains stretch northward through Colorado and Wyoming. Along the eastern face of this mountain range, rugged terrain gives way to prairie, including the flat topography of eastern Wyoming and Colorado. Mountains extend far westward, however, with snow cover accentuating mountain peaks all the way to Salt Lake City. The snow-free Grand Canyon snakes a serpentine path in the southwest, but the land surrounding that park is snow covered, as is much of northern Arizona and New Mexico.

NASA image by Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team, Goddard Space Flight Center. Caption by Michon Scott.

Instrument:
Terra - MODIS
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331. Patrap 3:32 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
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332. centex 3:32 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
GW/CC is real, only on this site do I need to remind people and not because of Jeff Masters. Try something. Research the skeptics, you will find unprofessional quacks or someone who is not a skeptic but just questions a nuance and quack group jumps on it. Research main stream opinion, you will find the best minds on the planet in subject matter. Yea it's America and you have a right to disagree and ignore science, just sad to here it on science oriented site.
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333. Seastep 3:36 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Anyone who is confused with the recent media coverage should read

Close Encounters of the Absurd Kind
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/close-encounters-of-the-absurd-kind/#comment- 162809


I don't need media.
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334. Seastep 3:38 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


If you do that same horizontal line TRICK for 2010 onward, then we are already at a spot that would be almost two jumps above the first one you made to represent the new "normal" from 1998 onward, in order to hide the increase.


Wait on my blog. And I do have you on record saying 1C by 2013, iirc.

I'll be validating you too. ;)
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335. pottery 3:38 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Orca, post 327.
How can Canada have won the Womens 2- Man Bobsled event??
It just does not seem right.
Surely, this is taking the lack of sexual discrimination too far, man!
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336. BahaHurican 3:47 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Wow. Just watched the Olbermann clip.... really powerful commentary. I hope the politicians actually pay attention.....
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337. Orcasystems 3:54 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting pottery:
Orca, post 327.
How can Canada have won the Womens 2- Man Bobsled event??
It just does not seem right.
Surely, this is taking the lack of sexual discrimination too far, man!


I asked myself the same thing as I typed it... got a SNAG headache, so I left the thinking alone.
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338. Seastep 3:56 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting centex:
GW/CC is real, only on this site do I need to remind people and not because of Jeff Masters. Try something. Research the skeptics, you will find unprofessional quacks or someone who is not a skeptic but just questions a nuance and quack group jumps on it. Research main stream opinion, you will find the best minds on the planet in subject matter. Yea it's America and you have a right to disagree and ignore science, just sad to here it on science oriented site.


I'm not a quack. Just a guy looking at data. :)
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339. Ossqss 3:59 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting centex:
GW/CC is real, only on this site do I need to remind people and not because of Jeff Masters. Try something. Research the skeptics, you will find unprofessional quacks or someone who is not a skeptic but just questions a nuance and quack group jumps on it. Research main stream opinion, you will find the best minds on the planet in subject matter. Yea it's America and you have a right to disagree and ignore science, just sad to here it on science oriented site.


Hummm ?

WMO: “. . . we cannot at this time conclusively identify anthropogenic signals in past tropical cyclone data.”

Why do you think this is happening? Perhaps the litigation from US states concerning the EPA's CO2 endangerment finding? They will have to prove that in a court of law now. No more hiding behind a curtain!

Britain's Weather Office Proposes Climate-Gate Do-Over

Met office proposal

Good news is --opinion and analysis without political influence is upon us :)
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340. tornadodude 4:01 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Good evening all!

did anyone see the Purdue Minnesota game???

Holy hell that was good!
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341. Seastep 4:01 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Wow. Just watched the Olbermann clip.... really powerful commentary. I hope the politicians actually pay attention.....


Yes. I pray for his father and him (believe it or not I pray for Kieth a lot).

The ironic thing is, though, that in a govt run system they would not go to all those measures (not cost effective) and his father, most likely, would not have been around for him to experience that.

Please, by all means, show me a case where those extraordinary measures are taken in a govt run health system. I'll listen.
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342. AstroHurricane001 4:05 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting Ossqss:


Hummm ?

WMO: “. . . we cannot at this time conclusively identify anthropogenic signals in past tropical cyclone data.”

Why do you think this is happening? Perhaps the litigation from US states concerning the EPA's CO2 endangerment finding? They will have to prove that in a court of law now. No more hiding behind a curtain!

Britain's Weather Office Proposes Climate-Gate Do-Over

Met office proposal

Good news is --opinion and analysis without political influence is upon us :)


The interaction between GW and TCs is very complex. The pattern will be more clear in the coming decades, but we can't wait that long.
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343. winter123 4:08 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
only cyclone on the globe now... god winter is boring, specifically this winter and in upstate new york.


hopefully it'll get better. Supposedly 8-12 inches tomorrow morning. but last time they said a foot it ended up being an inch so , idk anymore. expecting about 2 inches and sunny when i get up at like 11am.

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344. spathy 4:10 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Pottery
Well good on ya for understanding an annoying Spathy.
and checking out any anomaly's.
That particular station does not sound problematic.
Fire does!

Is everything safe where you are?
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345. AwakeInMaryland 4:11 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting Seastep:


Yes. I pray for his father and him (believe it or not I pray for Kieth a lot).

The ironic thing is, though, that in a govt run system they would not go to all those measures (not cost effective) and his father, most likely, would not have been around for him to experience that.

Please, by all means, show me a case where those extraordinary measures are taken in a govt run health system. I'll listen.


It's certainly disturbing; I feel so badly for everyone involved.

I'm thinking -- this is just off the top of my head -- that this isn't about gov't run vs. a privately run system -- but the need for a more holistic approach. I'm not talking about alternative medicine, although some of that may have been helpful.

I'm talking about someone taking charge and overseeing all the specialists, also a patient-advocate as 1st Lieutenant, first making sure they "do no harm," or at least as little harm as possible.

Easy for me to Monday-morning quarterback... it's just so sad. Small solace that it is, I'm glad the son can speak so eloquently for and about his father.

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346. spathy 4:19 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
On second reconsideration.
150 feet from a highway does not sound natural and could be tainted.

Trust me placement of my own weather station was nearly impossible.
Including 40 feet from a two lane road with almost no traffic.
That placement caused a 25 degree spike above any possible norm.
Add hundreds or tens of thousands of cars and a wind from a bias direction.
Wow.
Weather stations are by standard supposed to be in natural conditions completely away from any possible contamination.
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347. Ossqss 4:24 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The interaction between GW and TCs is very complex. The pattern will be more clear in the coming decades, but we can't wait that long.


Complex, yes. Just as complex as the interaction of the Sun with high and low cloud formation, and deep ocean currents and cycles with polar ice melt's are on our climate. Do we know the answers? Is it a crisis like none other we have ever seen, as the Swine flu was said to be? I don't know for sure, but I do know when lawyers get involved, we wait.......
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348. Seastep 4:25 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


It's certainly disturbing; I feel so badly for everyone involved.

I'm thinking -- this is just off the top of my head -- that this isn't about gov't run vs. a privately run system -- but the need for a more holistic approach. I'm not talking about alternative medicine, although some of that may have been helpful.

I'm talking about someone taking charge and overseeing all the specialists, also a patient-advocate as 1st Lieutenant, first making sure they "do no harm," or at least as little harm as possible.

Easy for me to Monday-morning quarterback... it's just so sad. Small solace that it is, I'm glad the son can speak so eloquently for and about his father.



Yes, a true son. Bless him.

"Do no harm" isn't going anywhere, under any system. Aside from abortion which is excepted from that for some strange reason, but I digress, and will not get into that topic here. I can't even imagine the fireworks.

Nothing wrong with counseling, but to be perfectly realistic, does anyone need that? Really? Certain things are just innate.
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349. BahaHurican 4:25 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Re 330 Patrap....

Great photo, pat, and I took a while to look it over closely to see if I could Identifiy some of the "landmarks".... great stuff.
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350. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 4:28 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The interaction between GW and TCs is very complex. The pattern will be more clear in the coming decades, but we can't wait that long.
pattern is already evident with slow or altering ocean currents too excess water vapour higher sst's abnormal jet stream patterns all this and more is yet to become the norm o and lets not forget alter seasonal weather patterns we are seeing all this now and yet to come aye the ides of March begins the march in
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351. BahaHurican 4:33 AM GMT op 25 februari 2010    
I think Keith is objecting to a system that doesn't even allow pple to get good information about the options for their loved ones - unless they can pay for the INFORMATION.... sad. I think he feels it's unfair for pple to be saved or lost simply because they are rich or poor.... I think he is saying insurance companies shouldn't be able to pull the rug out from under pple who have been paying customers for years, simply to make a bit more $$$....

I was also interested the other day to hear that Prez Obama et al are fighting for banking reforms for credit card holders, some of which have been in place in The Bahamas since I started banking in my late teens. I'm thinking things like CC companies not being able to hike rates in the middle of cycle.... basic stuff. I find it amazing that Americans seem to have more control over their banking than they do over their health.
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