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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2951. cg2916 1:06 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
I think that the last TD2 advisory will be at 5 PM. It seems like the NHC is giving it one more chance, but I think that it will be very tough for convection to come back.
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2952. Tazmanian 1:07 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


Guillermo is rapidly intensifying.



yup all so the nhc said they will give X TD 9E a 30-50% ch of comeing backing
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2953. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:07 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofgate, you were a hacker ? You should be banned from the whole internet.
yeah when dos was used iam not one anymore
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2954. Tazmanian 1:07 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
taz you get the link i posted for ya



yes thanks
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2955. moonlightcowboy 1:08 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".


Listen, you jerk - Keep has been here for a long time and is well-respected and appreciated for his contributions to this board.

You've been flagged and reported in email to admin as a troublemaker. You might learn something here if you keep your mouth closed and your ears open!

Congratulations! You've just been added to the lists!
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2956. TerraNova 1:08 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
For those of you who think TD #2 is 100% dead, HWRF brings it back around from a near death experience on the 06z run, big time.

No matter how unlikely a scenario may appear to be, it must still be taken into account. Wasn't that Sherlock Holmes' philosophy or am I getting him mixed up with another person?

(Animation)
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2957. canesrule1 1:08 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Latest Dvorak Classification:

13/0545 UTC 13.9N 36.3W TOO WEAK 02L
2958. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:08 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
thanks mlc
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2959. laflastormtracker 1:10 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Anyone watching the area north of Hispaniola? This area has a low chance of development according to the NHC.
2960. canesrule1 1:11 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
For those of you who think TD #2 is 100% dead, HWRF brings it back around from a near death experience on the 06z run, big time.

No matter how unlikely a scenerio may appear to be, it must still be taken into account. Wasn't that Sherlock Holmes' philosophy or am I getting him mixed up with another person?

(Animation)
I don't think 02L is going anywhere, if it does not get it's convection very very soon, if it doesn't TD status will be hard to come by.
2961. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 1:12 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
here's model run for 90L

989

WHXX01 KWBC 131247

CHGHUR

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE

NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL

1247 UTC THU AUG 13 2009



DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.

PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE

AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.



ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR



DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL902009) 20090813 1200 UTC



...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...

090813 1200 090814 0000 090814 1200 090815 0000



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 11.6N 22.5W 12.5N 25.1W 13.0N 28.5W 13.5N 32.3W

BAMD 11.6N 22.5W 12.0N 25.1W 12.3N 27.9W 12.4N 30.8W

BAMM 11.6N 22.5W 12.2N 25.0W 12.5N 27.9W 12.7N 31.2W

LBAR 11.6N 22.5W 12.0N 24.6W 12.2N 27.3W 12.4N 30.3W

SHIP 25KTS 28KTS 35KTS 42KTS

DSHP 25KTS 28KTS 35KTS 42KTS



...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...

090815 1200 090816 1200 090817 1200 090818 1200



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 13.8N 36.6W 15.5N 47.2W 19.0N 59.9W 22.9N 69.5W

BAMD 12.5N 34.0W 12.9N 41.1W 13.5N 48.5W 13.8N 55.1W

BAMM 12.9N 34.7W 13.6N 42.6W 14.6N 51.5W 15.7N 60.7W

LBAR 12.6N 33.8W 13.4N 42.3W .0N .0W .0N .0W

SHIP 50KTS 65KTS 66KTS 71KTS

DSHP 50KTS 65KTS 66KTS 71KTS



...INITIAL CONDITIONS...

LATCUR = 11.6N LONCUR = 22.5W DIRCUR = 280DEG SPDCUR = 7KT

LATM12 = 11.4N LONM12 = 21.1W DIRM12 = 281DEG SPDM12 = 8KT

LATM24 = 11.0N LONM24 = 19.4W

WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 60NM WNDM12 = 25KT

CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 120NM SDEPTH = M

RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM



$$

NNNN
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2962. eye 1:12 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Andrew about got sheared to death and look what he did....
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2963. fireflymom 1:13 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
This is more a science site than an English language site, go science nerds! Hope we can all play nicely today, as the weather does not play nice or have a respect for proper grammar.
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2965. extreme236 1:13 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
SAB came out with a data T-number of 1.5 according to the fix file on 90L, which suggests some further organization.
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2966. canesrule1 1:13 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
90L's latest Dvorak Classification:

13/1145 UTC 11.3N 22.6W T1.0/1.0 90L.

90L is already stronger than 02L.
2968. potteryX 1:13 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
I would hate to be banned from this blog for incorrect spelling, punctuation and/or grammar.
That would be terrible.
Oh my!
2969. nrtiwlnvragn 1:14 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
KEEPEROFTHEGATE

Why don't you link those images from the NRL Monterey Marine Meteorology Division (Code 7500) Tropical Cyclone Page which doesn't generate the security certificate errors? The same images are available from that site that you get from the backup fnmoc tcweb site.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html
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2970. moonlightcowboy 1:14 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
2964.

Regulars, please flag this disrespectuful idiot and report to admin! Thanks.
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2971. hurricanehanna 1:14 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
TD#2 still TD#2, 90L declared, CMC still developing wave in GOM into a storm...that about cover it for this morning?

Morning all!
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2972. WatchingThisOne 1:14 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofgate, you were a hacker ? You should be banned from the whole internet.


You got something on topic to say?

From Wikipedia:

Hacker (computer security), someone involved in computer security
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2973. melwerle 1:15 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Good Morning Everyone -

My stupid question for the day...has any place been hit back-to-back by a hurricane (within days of each other)?

Thanks, Melissa
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2974. Vortex1094 1:16 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Trouble maker ? very funny.
All I know is there are too many stupid kids on this blog these days. I am sure all those who got virus's on their PC's will be comforted to know an "ex" hacker is posting here.
Welcome to my ignore list lol
2975. homelesswanderer 1:16 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting potteryX:
I would hate to be banned from this blog for incorrect spelling, punctuation and/or grammar.
That would be terrible.
Oh my!


Wooddent it tho?
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2976. cg2916 1:16 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Well, let's look at it this way. It could...

1. Die forever.

2. Die then regenerate.

3. Weaken really badly but make a comeback (like Andrew).

4. Die then merge with the tropical wave north of the Carib. and form something else.
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2977. TerraNova 1:17 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
High dry air intrusion on 02L's core, as I said earlier it's pretty hard for naked swirls to make a comeback, largely due to this reason.

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2978. biff4ugo 1:18 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
What is up with the wave creeping from near D.R.toward the Bahamas? Is it going to stay sheered and just show up as a wet blob?
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2979. Vortex1094 1:18 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting WatchingThisOne:


You got something on topic to say?

From Wikipedia:

Hacker (computer security), someone involved in computer security
Here is the top part of the article though: In common usage, a hacker is a person who breaks into computers, usually by gaining access to administrative controls.[1] The subculture that has evolved around hackers is often referred to as the computer underground. Proponents claim to be motivated by artistic and political ends, and are often unconcerned about the use of illegal means to achieve them
2980. Cotillion 1:19 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
The SAL snuck a stick of dynamite into TD2 and blew it smithereens.

Therein lies the result...
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2982. canesrule1 1:20 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
TD 3 is Possile Tonight
sorry, but i highly doubt it, 90L needs to get more organized structualy and convection wise. It needs to get a better structure more localized convection, a stronger LLC, and more model support for the NHC to classify this as 03L.
2983. afj3 1:20 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Morning all!
I have a dumb question. If the wave off Africa behind TD2 is getting so much attention, why isn't it an Invest yet?
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2984. TerraNova 1:20 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting biff4ugo:
What is up with the wave creeping from near D.R.toward the Bahamas? Is it going to stay sheered and just show up as a wet blob?


The environment isn't favorable for development where it is now, but some of the models are showing energy from the wave making its way into the GOM next week where it could merit watching, as the environment is forecast to be more conductive then.
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2986. MahFL 1:21 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Watchingthisone, do you have something ontopic
to say ?

from dictionary.com

Hacker "a microcomputer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems."

btw, it's hot and humid outside in NE FL. <---on topic.
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2987. CaneWarning 1:21 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting keywestbrat:
Well I hope the fashion police don't turn up, as I am sitting here with short shorts and a very loud hawian shirt


You are in Key West - isn't that mandatory dress code there?
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2988. afj3 1:21 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Whoops!
Nevermind. I digress....
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2989. extreme236 1:21 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
sorry, but i highly doubt it, 90L needs to get more organized structualy and convection wise. It needs to get a better structure more localized convection, a stronger LLC, and more model support for the NHC to classify this as 03L.


Everything else but model support I agree with. It already has that.
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2990. melwerle 1:22 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
2985. Thanks Caneluver
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2991. cg2916 1:22 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
The SAL snuck a stick of dynamite into TD2 and blew it smithereens.

Therein lies the result...

Shear played its part, too.
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2992. canesrule1 1:23 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
High dry air intrusion on 02L's core, as I said earlier it's pretty hard for naked swirls to make a comeback, largely due to this reason.

And it still has lots of it ahead (by the way 02L is located around 14.0N and 37.5W.):
2993. MahFL 1:23 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
I see some curvectute of the clouds on the wave at 69 W.
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2994. saintsfan06 1:24 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Watchingthisone, do you have something ontopic
to say ?

from dictionary.com

Hacker "a microcomputer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems."

btw, it's hot and humid outside in NE FL. <---on topic.


If you are that concerned about KOTG maybe you should move to a different blog so we can keep this one on weather.
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2995. canesrule1 1:25 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting afj3:
Morning all!
I have a dumb question. If the wave off Africa behind TD2 is getting so much attention, why isn't it an Invest yet?
it is 90L already, we are focusing on 90L more primarily because on the strength the models are giving, 02L is not out of the question but it does have to fight (SAL, Shear, Cool Waters, if it continues WSW the ITCZ, and the NHC, lol)
2996. saintsfan06 1:26 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Does all of the dry air in the Atlantic have to do with El Nino??? I don't remember conditions like that last year.
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2997. BayouBorn1965 1:26 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting twhcracker:

how many of the most infamous hurricanes were born right off the coast of africa... seems all the big ones hitting the gulf coast were born in the yucatan or caribbean werent they? I dont get so excited about storms rolling off the coast of africa. and besides, a huge storm cant be a category five for more than a few days so if it turns into a huge storm off the coast of africa i dont think it will be so big by the time it comes here right? just my totally unscientific observation.


Remember Hurricane Georges in September 1998? Born off the coast of Africa and traveled a long way to Biloxi, Mississippi!
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3001. canesrule1 1:30 PM GMT op 13 augustus 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:
wow
Im assuming that 90L's COC is located in the center of those two large bands surrounding the system.

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