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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

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1351. SavannahStorm 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting StormW:





Cuz I know you love the Bozo pics, StormW.

Linked for those with Coulrophobia (look it up)
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1352. Cavin Rawlins 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Was someone banned?
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1353. Michfan 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting stormno:
fire you want to be ahead of the game take my advice start watching that area very closely..i have important dats which i will not give out now but just keep watching..i have new data coming into my office at 9pm..this will be where anna forms..Storm W just a little food for thought...i told you i work alone i dont go by the spaghetti models pal..Stormno


LOL and once again your little decoder ring is better than everyone else. Im sorry but i couldn't help it guys. This is too funny.
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1354. PcolaDan 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting StormW:




BWAAAAAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry, couldn't contain myself.

BTW StormW, figure out how to insert the loops? I may have given you bad info.
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1355. hurricanehanna 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


Cuz I know you love the Bozo pics, StormW.


Holy Crap! Now I remember why I started with bad dreams as a child!
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1356. hurristat 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


Cuz I know you love the Bozo pics, StormW.

>


PUT IT AWAY!!! IT SCARES ME!! LOL
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1357. Drakoen 9:21 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Who was banned?
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1358. HurricaneJoe 9:22 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting stormno:
fire you want to be ahead of the game take my advice start watching that area very closely..i have important dats which i will not give out now but just keep watching..i have new data coming into my office at 9pm..this will be where anna forms..Storm W just a little food for thought...i told you i work alone i dont go by the spaghetti models pal..Stormno
Quoting stormno:
fire you want to be ahead of the game take my advice start watching that area very closely..i have important dats which i will not give out now but just keep watching..i have new data coming into my office at 9pm..this will be where anna forms..Storm W just a little food for thought...i told you i work alone i dont go by the spaghetti models pal..Stormno


Who are you?
1359. Hhunter 9:22 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Yea but it should be ANNA
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1360. hurristat 9:22 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting HurricaneJoe:


Who are you?


They're saying he's stormtop.
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1361. serialteg 9:23 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting hurristat:


Hugs serialteg anyway.


you know, because of the swine flu ive avoided contact with people and they get offended even when I explain its swine flu related!

:/

why is being alive so underrated? lol
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1362. rxse7en 9:23 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting StormW:



LOL! I was going to post the same thing until I scrolled down and saw that you beat me to the punch. :D
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1363. Hhunter 9:23 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
he should call himself the lone ranger...
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1364. hurristat 9:23 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting Hhunter:
Yea but it should be ANNA


Like I said, they wanted to incorporate all the major languages of the Atlantic in the names; hence the Edouard and the Jose and the Juan, etc.
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1365. CybrTeddy 9:23 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:
Hey all! First post but i've been lurking on this blog since 2006. I'm 15, but I'm not a troll don't worry :). I finally decided to join today.

From what I can tell, Tropical Depression Two is suffering from the effects of higher wind shear, somewhat marginal SSTs, Durinal Minimum, and higher amounts of Upper Level winds. That and with the convection of the storm rapidly dissipating on the system, it doesn't surprise me that they didn't go ahead and declare it Ana. If convection manages to build on Tropical Depression Two to where it would be impressive they will most likely call it 'Ana' by 11 or 5 AM.

Now on the other hand we have the African Area to worry about, what should be 90L. That has high model support and from what I watched on the models such as the EMCWF and the GFS it looks possible we could be facing a major tropical cyclone by the time it reaches the Lesser Antilles.


Welcome to Weather Underground! I'd say that would be a great update! Pretty impressive for someone your age to know that.
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1366. SouthALWX 9:24 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
td2 has moved slightly south of west asI thought it might. Might be becoming a bigger player than first thought. The african wave Im still unsure on. Im not sure upper level winds will stay favorable if it can develop an upper high over it I'll be more confident on it's future. The Gom needs to be watched as a tropical wave brings a surge of moisture next week. If shear is low I could see this system developing as well.
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1368. Michfan 9:24 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting serialteg:
God let me keep trying (its so hard to get an answer here sometimes) :(

StormW! Question, if I may? Or anyone...

Why is it TD2 was forecasted to be in favorable shear environment and hasn't gotten there? What I see in the maps is that shear either moves with the system or appears to form with it. Is any type of wind in the upper atmosphere shear?


Go look at the CIMSS shear maps and tendencies. The upper atmosphere operates in a much similar manner as the lower level with highs and lows that move around causing shear all over the globe.

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1369. hurristat 9:24 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting serialteg:


you know, because of the swine flu ive avoided contact with people and they get offended even when I explain its swine flu related!

:/

why is being alive so underrated? lol


Why is swine flu so overrated?? LOL
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1370. hurricanehanna 9:25 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting StormW:



You are on a roll today, you know that? *wink wink nudge nudge*
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1371. TerraNova 9:25 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Woah....
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1372. HurricaneKyle 9:25 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Welcome to Weather Underground! I'd say that would be a great update! Pretty impressive for someone your age to know that.


thanks i do try! :D
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1373. Seflhurricane 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
stormno is one of those people you want to stay away from very Annoying
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1374. mobilegirl81 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Lets not forget that there is a slight potential for something to form in the gulf starting Sunday.
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1375. Michfan 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


Apparently the CMC shows Bill getting hungry for Ana.
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1376. serialteg 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting hurristat:


Why is swine flu so overrated?? LOL


It isn't! People die from it :/ At least thats what i've heard in the news ...

I know news ain't so trustworthy but ... :/

At least hand sanitizing and facemask folks have made good profits this year
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1377. reedzone 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Evening StormW. It looks like conditions are similar to a week before Floyd hit, what's your take on the potential storm?
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1378. hurristat 9:26 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


That has "Bill" absorbing "Ana"
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1379. SavannahStorm 9:27 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


Fujiwhara! That's the first time I think I've ever seen a computer run successfully model a Fujiwhara transition!
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1380. serialteg 9:27 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting serialteg:
God let me keep trying (its so hard to get an answer here sometimes) :(

StormW! Question, if I may? Or anyone...

Why is it TD2 was forecasted to be in favorable shear environment and hasn't gotten there? What I see in the maps is that shear either moves with the system or appears to form with it. Is any type of wind in the upper atmosphere shear?


someone ... *anyone*
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1381. HurricaneJoe 9:27 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


Wow...the African wave takes over TD2
1382. 69Viking 9:27 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Who was banned?


The prude police I hope! So what do you think of the chances for the GOM? I'm not wishcasting but it is getting pretty juicy while the blog fights over the naming rights to a TD and African wave days away from land!
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1383. HurricaneKyle 9:28 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


I don't think thats likely with Tropical Depression Two's forward speed the way it is right now.
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1384. hurristat 9:28 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting serialteg:


It isn't! People die from it :/ At least thats what i've heard in the news ...

I know news ain't so trustworthy but ... :/

At least hand sanitizing and facemask folks have made good profits this year


A very small percentage of US citizens with it die.
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1385. rwdobson 9:28 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Shear is very difficult to predict accurately, especially out over the ocean where there is less data available.

Shear is defined as any change in the wind velocity with height. Now remember that "velocity" is a vector. In other words it has a direction and a magnitude (speed). Any change in either direction or speed causes shear.

To be able to predict shear accurately, you have to be able to predict both the direction and speed of the winds at all levels of the atmosphere...which is not so easy to do.
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1386. TerraNova 9:29 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting HurricaneJoe:


Wow...the African wave takes over TD2


I doubt that's likely but boy would it be cool to see an interaction like that.
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1387. TexasHurricane 9:29 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
Lets not forget that there is a slight potential for something to form in the gulf starting Sunday.


I haven't forgot. I will be keeping an eye out...
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1388. Hhunter 9:29 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
so that big girl coming off africa kinda has the feel of a florida or carolina storm. Does someone think it makes the gulf...please say no... i am wishcasting this one somewhere else. we need the rain but, we have had our fill of monsters.
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1390. sarasotaman 9:30 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting StormW:


YOu are best storm. You should be on comedy central! Best post of the year
1391. JLPR 9:30 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....


well now that would send Bill + Ana to the sea =]

I like that model =P
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1392. Hhunter 9:30 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
hoping this will be our central texas rain maker
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1394. Hhunter 9:31 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
the early next week system that is.
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1395. HadesGodWyvern 9:31 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
METEO FRANCE
High Sea Forecast for eastern Atlantic Ocean

Tropical storm ( Nr 2 ), 1006 near 14.3N 33.8W at 12/15 UTC, moving west at 11 kt.

Expected near 14.2N 35.4W at 13/00 UTC, then near 14.2N 37.6W by 13 at 12 UTC.


---
2 min later when NHC doesn't upgrade

TROPICAL DEPRESSION NUMBER 2 IS CENTERED NEAR 14.3N 33.8W BY 1715
UTC MOVING WEST AT 11 KT.


HAHA
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1396. polarcane 9:32 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:


thanks i do try! :D
shoot you impress me and I am twice your age!
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1398. serialteg 9:32 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting rwdobson:
Shear is very difficult to predict accurately, especially out over the ocean where there is less data available.

Shear is defined as any change in the wind velocity with height. Now remember that "velocity" is a vector. In other words it has a direction and a magnitude (speed). Any change in either direction or speed causes shear.

To be able to predict shear accurately, you have to be able to predict both the direction and speed of the winds at all levels of the atmosphere...which is not so easy to do.


Yeah, I guess... I'm really anxious to start meteorology school in January :) Soon I'll be able to understand all of these things better!

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1399. Seflhurricane 9:33 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
convection has really decreased with TD2
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1400. TerraNova 9:33 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
METEO FRANCE
High Sea Forecast for eastern Atlantic Ocean

Tropical storm ( Nr 2 ), 1006 near 14.3N 33.8W at 12/15 UTC, moving west at 11 kt.

Expected near 14.2N 35.4W at 13/00 UTC, then near 14.2N 37.6W by 13 at 12 UTC.


---
2 min later when NHC doesn't upgrade

TROPICAL DEPRESSION NUMBER 2 IS CENTERED NEAR 14.3N 33.8W BY 1715
UTC MOVING WEST AT 11 KT.


HAHA


Ya the FTP site also had TD2 as Ana for a moment then reverted back to TD once the NHC's advisory came out...weird.
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1401. HurricaneKyle 9:33 PM GMT op 12 augustus 2009    
StormW btw I'd like to say great update today really informative! Same with you 456!
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